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Science is important... and even holy.

Agathion

the Minister
So there is a myth being propagated that science and religion are incompatible and must always be at odds. I for one disagree. To me science is holy. My god is among other things a god of knowledge and understanding. I and he do not see science as a threat but as a method of increasing knowledge of the universe as well as finding ways to manipulate the universe for our benefit. Science is not evil, or satanic, or sinful. Knowledge is, (they say) power, and the quest for knowledge will never end. Those who hate science are fools and I shall treat them as such.

Btw not sure if this thread goes here so if it does not I apologize.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
So there is a myth being propagated that science and religion are incompatible and must always be at odds. I for one disagree. To me science is holy. My god is among other things a god of knowledge and understanding. I and he do not see science as a threat but as a method of increasing knowledge of the universe as well as finding ways to manipulate the universe for our benefit. Science is not evil, or satanic, or sinful. Knowledge is, (they say) power, and the quest for knowledge will never end. Those who hate science are fools and I shall treat them as such.
Btw not sure if this thread goes here so if it does not I apologize.
I agree with you here.
Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
So there is a myth being propagated that science and religion are incompatible and must always be at odds. I for one disagree. To me science is holy. My god is among other things a god of knowledge and understanding. I and he do not see science as a threat but as a method of increasing knowledge of the universe as well as finding ways to manipulate the universe for our benefit. Science is not evil, or satanic, or sinful. Knowledge is, (they say) power, and the quest for knowledge will never end. Those who hate science are fools and I shall treat them as such.

Btw not sure if this thread goes here so if it does not I apologize.
I endorse you here. It is for this that no founder of any revealed religion ever opposed science or scientists.
The thread is very appropriate here. Please
Regards
 

Helvetios

Heathen Sapiens
It is for this that no founder of any revealed religion ever opposed science or scientists.

I don't think that's accurate to say and I'd like you to expand on that - perhaps provide some examples - but I also agree with the original post.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I don't think that's accurate to say and I'd like you to expand on that - perhaps provide some examples - but I also agree with the original post.
Simply, there is nothing on human record that any founder prophet/messenger of God opposed science or the scientists.
Regards
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
So there is a myth being propagated that science and religion are incompatible and must always be at odds. I for one disagree.
Which means that there is always complete agreement between the two. If there is just a single disagreement then it can't be said the two are compatible. Is this your position?
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
So there is a myth being propagated that science and religion are incompatible and must always be at odds. I for one disagree. To me science is holy. My god is among other things a god of knowledge and understanding. I and he do not see science as a threat but as a method of increasing knowledge of the universe as well as finding ways to manipulate the universe for our benefit. Science is not evil, or satanic, or sinful. Knowledge is, (they say) power, and the quest for knowledge will never end. Those who hate science are fools and I shall treat them as such.

Btw not sure if this thread goes here so if it does not I apologize.

Just to test your statement concerning the compatibility of science with religion.

Do you agree, with science, that our far ancestors were fishes and we are related with trees?

Ciao

- viole
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
So there is a myth being propagated that science and religion are incompatible and must always be at odds. I for one disagree. To me science is holy. My god is among other things a god of knowledge and understanding. I and he do not see science as a threat but as a method of increasing knowledge of the universe as well as finding ways to manipulate the universe for our benefit. Science is not evil, or satanic, or sinful. Knowledge is, (they say) power, and the quest for knowledge will never end. Those who hate science are fools and I shall treat them as such.

Btw not sure if this thread goes here so if it does not I apologize.

"nature is the executor of God's laws" (Galileo)

"[science] such wholesale returns of conjecture, out of such a trifling investment of fact" Mark Twain
 

dust1n

Zindīq
"Faith is believing what you know ain’t so." - Mark Twain

"If there is a God, he is a malign thug." - Mark Twain

"I believe in God the Almighty.

I do not believe He has ever sent a message to man by anybody, or delivered one to him by word of mouth, or made Himself visible to mortal eyes at any time in any place.

I believe that the Old and New Testaments were imagined and written by man, and that no line in them was authorized by God, much less inspired by Him. " - Mark Twain
 

Agathion

the Minister
I believe that it is highly likely given the evidence found so far. Evolution to me is god's way of creating new species. After all, having to make every single species one at a time would take eons and be rather tedious. Also god likes variety so using evolution would allow him to indulge that. You never know what might evolve into what over millions of years after all. If you want diversity evolution is the way to go.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
"nature is the executor of God's laws" (Galileo)

The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. (Einstein)

"[science] such wholesale returns of conjecture, out of such a trifling investment of fact" Mark Twain

I cannot see how a man of any large degree of humorous perception can ever be religious -- unless he purposely shut the eyes of his mind & keep them shut by force. (Mark Twain)

Ciao

- viole
 

Mohammad Nur Syamsu

Well-Known Member
So there is a myth being propagated that science and religion are incompatible and must always be at odds. I for one disagree. To me science is holy. My god is among other things a god of knowledge and understanding. I and he do not see science as a threat but as a method of increasing knowledge of the universe as well as finding ways to manipulate the universe for our benefit. Science is not evil, or satanic, or sinful. Knowledge is, (they say) power, and the quest for knowledge will never end. Those who hate science are fools and I shall treat them as such.

Btw not sure if this thread goes here so if it does not I apologize.

The idea that science is incompatible with religion runs rampant in the scientific community, so the judgement that the scientific community is a deplorable anti-human community I find a very reasonable judgement.

The crucial thing is that the scientific community must be forced to accept creationism. Basically creationism validates both subjectivity and objectivity. It validates both a fact like that the earth revolves around the sun, and an opinion like that the earth is beautiful or ugly.

The way things are, this is the truly dark age of mankind. With the holocaust, the threat of thermo-nuclear war, and climate change, all caused directly and mainly by the scientific community, and their rejection of creationism. It is in essence a simple head vs heart struggle, but then on a massive societal scale. And the head, science, must be forced to acknowledge the proper domain of the heart, religion and subjectivity in general.

There can be no compromise on the truth that beauty is very much relevant to the way things turn out in the universe, while it is categorically a matter of opinion outside of science. It means science must acknowledge that the issue of agency of a decision is a matter of opinion. Acknowledge that freedom is real and relevant in the universe, and that science can study how things are decided in the universe, what the available options are, but acknowledge that the question of what makes these decisions turn out the way they do, can only be answered by choosing the answer, expression of emotion with free will.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
To me science is holy.
Holy? No.

Important? yes.

Science is about acquiring knowledge, by studying the mechanism of the natural world, whether that be physics, chemistry, biology or mathematics, or any combination of the above, depending on the fields of studying.

And it is done so, without any divine being(s).

Science find answers through (A) verification - thus evidences and testing - through (B) proof - thus mathematical equations or mathematical models, like in theoretical physics.

(A) or evidences/tests are better than (B) proof.

Why is evidence-based science or testable science better than theoretical ones?

There are always maths in experimental science, but if you require verification, then evidences or tests (experiments), would provide real-world results that will either show the theory to be objectively TRUE or FALSE.

Theoretical physics, like superstring theory rely solely on mathematical proof (models and equations), which are currently untestable. And how many different variations of superstring theories are currently out there? Half dozen? A dozen? So which one is right? We don't know, because none of them can be tested.

Einstein's Relativity used to be theoretical, until scientists were able to test it.

Science is just a tool used by man, in order to understand the natural world (biology, geology, etc) and man-made world (man-made, like computers, mobile phones, TVs, microwave oven, etc) and how to make use of these knowledge (application).

With science, you would follow the process of (A) formulating explanation and prediction (thus hypothesis), then (B) you test the hypothesis...and then you test it again, and again, and you get other scientists (peer review) to independently test the hypothesis, (C) analyse the test results, (D) before making the conclusion that either the hypothesis failed in the test or verified that it is true.

The majority of new hypothesis failed for any number of reasons (eg. it is not testable, it fail in the tests, or the results were inconclusive, etc).

So no, science is not holy.
 
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outhouse

Atheistically
. To me science is holy.

To bad to academia it is mythology and has no place in science what so ever.


So there is a myth being propagated that science and religion are incompatible and must always be at odds. I for one disagree.

Well that all depends on ones religion. Most followers factually are not scientifically compatible when it comes to what the believe. Mots of the time faith does trump knowledge.

It is no myth either, most religious fight science
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
So there is a myth being propagated that science and religion are incompatible and must always be at odds. I for one disagree. To me science is holy. My god is among other things a god of knowledge and understanding. I and he do not see science as a threat but as a method of increasing knowledge of the universe as well as finding ways to manipulate the universe for our benefit. Science is not evil, or satanic, or sinful. Knowledge is, (they say) power, and the quest for knowledge will never end. Those who hate science are fools and I shall treat them as such.

Btw not sure if this thread goes here so if it does not I apologize.

You my friend, make more sense than so many members here in this regard.

It is even said in Islam that the favor of a scientist on a worshiper is like the favor of the moon on the rest of the planets. Even worshipers need science. The moon has a great significance in Islam, which give an impression on how science is significant. (I hope I translated that correctly)
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
But not if it goes against the book, correct?
Correct. Emphasis on "if" and what's similar in confirming theories 100% and fully knowing the meaning of what's said in the book.
Also, the topic is about science being important and holly. Right?
:)
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I agree - to me science is the lens through which the mind can appreciate the wonder and elegance of God's universe.
 
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