Science IS religion

[ImmortalFlame]

No. I realize you have a fantasy you can't begin to support but believe real hard. Religion!

This seems a very odd argument.

Let's say that we agree: science is a religion. So, let's take a look at what my religion has achieved purely through practising what it teaches:

My religion has put a man on the moon, allows people to communicate over vast distances, travel at incredible speed, find a millions library's worth of information at the touch of a finger, provided food for billions, cured numerous diseases, doubled average life expectancy and fundamentally altered the way all developed civilisations function in only a few short generations.

So, if science is a religion, it's clearly the best one. Your religion loses, easily.

If a blob of chemicals popped out of mom rather than a wonderful, fully formed, unique personality and person, well you might have a weak point.

You seem extremely confused.

Are you not aware that pregnancy and birth is essentially a 9-month process that transforms inert chemicals into a human child? If you understand and believe that, where is the issue with the possibility of abiogenesis?

I mean, surely it's harder to believe that inert chemicals can become a human child in just nine months than it is to believe inert chemicals can form simple, self-replicating cells in millions of years, right? Is that not your logic?

 

[Valjean]

My point exactly! We all have beliefs. Science is religion.
I find the claims that your kin are bugs and that all galaxies sprang from a little hot soup to be worthy of higher mockery. Now if you pleeaded sensitivity because of religion..that you do not like your religion made fun of...fine. We could be tender with you! When the religion is offered as science, it merits a closer look! I don't take it personally, I deal with the issues and claims. Some claims require exposing in a way that involves some comedy.

How is science religion?
Science believes only those things that it has observed, tested, peer reviewed evidence of. It does not concern itself with values or meaning or purpose. It deals only in facts. It is an investigative discipline.

Religion is concerned with meaning, purpose and values. It does not investigate facts, its beliefs are not based on facts, and new facts have little effect on doctrine.

You think you see. However I have looked at the so called evidences and I assure you they are just belief based godless nonsense.

I don't believe you've looked at the evidence. If you did I don't believe you understood it.
"Belief based?" What does that mean? Everything's belief based. It's what the belief's based on that's important.[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

It is interesting that you make these connections. Interesting to me in this context, because I was thinking of the same thing when I responded to you. We have a number of associated species that, either by our own intent or by accident, have found great success at being our associates. Starlings, English sparrows, squirrels, cattle, hogs, corn, soybeans, certain bacteria, and a small cadre of other living things have all found success in associating with people in some way and for various reasons. Even some of the associates of those species are benefiting from the relationship with people.

Here in Missouri, being a deer would seem to be detrimental with the popularity of hunting, but when you view deer at the population level, our conservation department has successfully restored deer populations and at levels that exceed pre-settlement estimates.

Exactly! Often these associations are unintended consequences. Take deer-- humans, when they moved into the territories of deer, removed the majority of the deer predators. Only humans hunt deer in the majority of places where humans are. Thus? Giant deer populations.

One of the more Interesting-with-an-I? Cows.

Really, if you look at the population distribution of cows-- wild cows, I mean-- they are not that large with respect to everything else.

But. Humans have domesticated cows as one of their favorite food animals. So much so? Cows are literally effecting the earth's atmosphere. I'm speaking of methane, of course-- cows burp and excrete methane in such quantities that the effect is measurable all across the planet. Everywhere, even in areas where there are no cows.

Unintended consequences.

 

[Darkstorn]

How is science religion?
Science believes only those things that it has observed, tested, peer reviewed evidence of. It does not concern itself with values or meaning or purpose. It deals only in facts. It is an investigative discipline.

Religion is concerned with meaning, purpose and values. It does not investigate facts, its beliefs are not based on facts, and new facts have little effect on doctrine.

How? Easy. He's a last-thursdayist. So in his mind, it's not the acts of observing, testing or peer review that really are the problem in of themselves. It's the fact that anything those actions find, are automatically tainted by satan. So they're useless and anything we find will only be fabrications to begin with.

So this isn't really a debate at all. Every piece of evidence is wrong because things were different before they were "tainted." This is really all it amounts to. There is going to be no convincing of him. At best: He's going to go off-the-rails.

 

[siti]

Citing some chemical reactions in a worm that have some similarity to reactions other living beings produce is simply not impressive or evidence we all came from the same mom!

My intention was neither to impress nor to prove that we all came from the same mom - in your case, even if the latter were true I'd flat out deny it anyway!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Yes, staunch believers in godless evilution are fine with accepting bugs as true kin. They are fine with accepting and worshiping...about anything so called science wants to shovel out. No news there.

I do not worship-- worship is what a slave does, after he has had his mind broken.

Worship is demeaning to the worshiper and the thing or person being worshiped.

It is sad to witness someone (you) who willingly becomes a mind-slave...

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

My point exactly! We all have beliefs.

That would be a flat lie. I do not have any beliefs-- especially not how you mean the word.

Belief is thinking something is "true" but without a single reason, argument or piece of evidence to support it.

I do not do that. That would not be ... sane.

 

[dad]

So you're a True Believer and no amount of contradictory evidence will sway you

. Not quite. YOU are a true believer and have no evidence and do not even know what it is let alone care less. I am not overthrown in my solid beliefs that do have actual basis and evidence by your insane made up baseless fables and whining!

Any evidence can just conveniently be blamed on "the deceiver" and dismissed without consideration.
So why are you posting here?

No. Evidence can be looked at...you have none! You have bad religion.

Yet intelligent people who understand the evidence do not find it ridiculous

Maybe get THEM to post!

. In fact, I'd say the more expertise they have in the field the stronger their belief.

It would be a KO in round one. But do get those folks you think know what they are talking about to post!

Your empty blather seems to have run it's little course.[/QUOTE]

 

[Darkstorn]

Dad: Your empty blather seems to have run its little course.

I am not quoting you. I am telling you something.

 

[dad]

Yes yes, you believe that. But really you haven't shown THAT. You've shown yourself to be a very misguided person though. Especially regarding your own abilities.

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We? You have an imaginary friend now?

You thought all were on the losing side??

This isn't really all that funny anymore. I'm worried about you.

Typical symptom of having to face reality, you feel shaken up and try to put it on others.

Lurkers: see how die hard evos think sanity depends on swallowing their fables whole.

 

[dad]

you cannot click ANY of the links-- to do so? Would prove to 100% you are WRONG.

So.... run awaaaaaaayyyyy

Rather than pretending something hidden in your spam links has value, you should post some point and specifics from them. Don't expect others to swat the air here rather than address issues!

 

[dad]

But you're not exactly convincing so your assurances are just plain weird.

One way to find out is to look at the basis for your weird fraudulent fables!

 

[dad]

You just keep calling evidence "spam" without even looking at it. So, tell us exactly what kind of "evidence" are you actually looking forward to? Because it really looks like you're not accepting anything.

You really think you can spam a group of sites pretending there is 'evidence' buried in there somewhere? Ha.

 

[Darkstorn]

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For a second i thought my mind was playing tricks on me. But then i realized you actually typed that. It's funny, i used to think of all your text as "blah blah" but i gave it the benefit of the doubt and replied anyway. So yes, blah blah indeed.

You thought all were on the losing side??

You thought someone agrees with you¿¿

Typical symptom of having to face reality, you feel shaken up and try to put it on others.

What is the reality? You seem to know.

Lurkers: see how die hard evos think sanity depends on swallowing their fables whole.

Imaginary people: Come see the evil evilutionist! Only 5 cents!

 

[Darkstorn]

One way to find out is to look at the basis for your weird fraudulent fables!

I already did. Didn't work. Next?

You really think you can spam a group of sites pretending there is 'evidence' buried in there somewhere? Ha.

Yes. Ha. The joke's totally on us.

 

[gnostic]

@dad

Just answer me a couple of questions:

Can you naturally turn dust into a living adult human being (or seen it done), without magic, miracle or divine intervention?

If yes, then how?

If no, why cannot it happen?

 

[Road Less Traveled]

Over/under on the amount of posts before the chasing after the wind is realized: 1000. Guesses??

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Rather than pretending something hidden in your spam links has value, you should post some point and specifics from them. Don't expect others to swat the air here rather than address issues!

no. Your fear of clicking a link which will ABSOLUTELY DESTROY YOUR CLAIM? Is too much fun.

I am enjoying watching you flounder like a land-locked fish--flopping around on the deck, and don't even realize it.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

One way to find out is to look at the basis for your weird fraudulent fables!

Run awaaaaaay!

And I bet you don't even know where that come from...

 

[Valjean]

. Not quite. YOU are a true believer and have no evidence and do not even know what it is let alone care less. I am not overthrown in my solid beliefs that do have actual basis and evidence by your insane made up baseless fables and whining!

No. Evidence can be looked at...you have none! You have bad religion.

Maybe get THEM to post!

It would be a KO in round one. But do get those folks you think know what they are talking about to post!

Your empty blather seems to have run it's little course.

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