Science IS religion

[dad]

This seems a very odd argument.

Let's say that we agree: science is a religion. So, let's take a look at what my religion has achieved purely through practising what it teaches:

My religion has put a man on the moon,

Really? The religious part of science actually had nothing to do with that. That was actual knowledge and used actual laws etc.

allows people to communicate over vast distances, travel at incredible speed, find a millions library's worth of information at the touch of a finger, provided food for billions, cured numerous diseases, doubled average life expectancy and fundamentally altered the way all developed civilisations function in only a few short generations.

Real science did many things...NONE of which involves evolutionary/cosmological fables. Along with the good science also gave us nuclear weapons, cancer causing agents, sex change operations abortions, and etc etc. None of which has to do with the 'evo fable group'!

So, if science is a religion, it's clearly the best one. Your religion loses, easily.

Are you not aware that pregnancy and birth is essentially a 9-month process that transforms inert chemicals into a human child? If you understand and believe that, where is the issue with the possibility of abiogenesis?

Are you not aware that man consists of more than the chemical his body is made of?? If you understand that, you would know it was not a chemical mishap that created us.

Dig?

 

[Darkstorn]

Are you not aware that man consists of more than the chemical his body is made of?? If you understand that, you would know it was not a chemical mishap that created us.

Dig?

Prove it. Otherwise this will be one of those "blah blah" posts.

 

[Darkstorn]

This should clarify the futile nature of trying to convince dad, or actually expect him to properly defend his claims:

I do. The way we can tell is when their belief based guesses and claims directly contradict Genesis. Evolution and the big bang are demonic fairy tales. This is known.

-Dad @

Stars science say kicked out of galaxy actually coming in!

So, basically, anything that contradicts a literal genesis = demonic fairy tales. He's the worst kind of fundie imaginable. Good thing he has no power whatsoever.

On that other forum he maintains even less of a facade than here.

 

[dad]

My intention was neither to impress nor to prove that we all came from the same mom - in your case, even if the latter were true I'd flat out deny it anyway!

If we had a common ancestor which you do claim, then would early life not have had a mother. Or do you conceive of it as some sort of spontaneous combustion of life sort of thing? Ha.

Even if we go back in your evo mind as far as the flatworm, it seems they had some mom op action.

"Penis fencing is a mating behavior engaged in by many species of flatworm, such as Pseudobiceros hancockanus. Species which engage in the practice are hermaphroditic; each individual has both egg-producing ovaries and sperm-producing testes.[1]

The flatworms "fence" using extendable two-headed dagger-like stylets. These stylets are pointed (and in some species hooked) in order to pierce their mate's epidermis and inject sperm into the haemocoel in an act known as intradermal hypodermic insemination, or traumatic insemination. Pairs can either compete, with only one individual transferring sperm to the other, or the pair can transfer sperm bilaterally. Both forms of sperm transfer can occur in the same species, depending on various factors.[2]

Unilateral sperm transfer[edit]
One organism will inseminate the other, with the inseminating individual acting as the "father".

Penis fencing - Wikipedia

Certainly by the time we get 'up to' rats there are moms involved! Did you share a relative with rats?

 

[dad]

Prove it. Otherwise this will be one of those "blah blah" posts.

The obvious cannot be proven to those who both miss it and avoid it religiously.

 

[dad]

I do not worship-- worship is what a slave does, after he has had his mind broken.

Worship is demeaning to the worshiper and the thing or person being worshiped.

It is sad to witness someone (you) who willingly becomes a mind-slave...

You do actually. Denial doesn't help.

 

[Darkstorn]

If we had a common ancestor which you do claim, then would early life not have had a mother. Or do you conceive of it as some sort of spontaneous combustion of life sort of thing? Ha.

Even if we go back in your evo mind as far as the flatworm, it seems they had some mom op action.

"Penis fencing is a mating behavior engaged in by many species of flatworm, such as Pseudobiceros hancockanus. Species which engage in the practice are hermaphroditic; each individual has both egg-producing ovaries and sperm-producing testes.[1]

The flatworms "fence" using extendable two-headed dagger-like stylets. These stylets are pointed (and in some species hooked) in order to pierce their mate's epidermis and inject sperm into the haemocoel in an act known as intradermal hypodermic insemination, or traumatic insemination. Pairs can either compete, with only one individual transferring sperm to the other, or the pair can transfer sperm bilaterally. Both forms of sperm transfer can occur in the same species, depending on various factors.[2]

Unilateral sperm transfer[edit]
One organism will inseminate the other, with the inseminating individual acting as the "father".

Penis fencing - Wikipedia

Certainly by the time we get 'up to' rats there are moms involved! Did you share a relative with rats?

Okay, here comes off-the-rails-train! Choo choo!

I like his assumption that everything had to have a mother. Except the first mother of course.

 

[Darkstorn]

The obvious cannot be proven to those who both miss it and avoid it religiously.

Nice catch-all. Even if i were interested, you'd just state that. If i can't just accept your claims as given like BAM, you'll accuse me of avoiding the obvious. Nice.

Very Christian of you.

 

[dad]

That would be a flat lie. I do not have any beliefs-- especially not how you mean the word.

If you believe you don't that is a belief right there! If you believe in origins sciences, then you are drowning in them.

 

[dad]

Okay, here comes off-the-rails-train! Choo choo!

I like his assumption that everything had to have a mother. Except the first mother of course.

Eve had no mom obviously. Your fable says the first woman did!

 

[Darkstorn]

Eve had no mom obviously.

Yes, if i don't find it obvious, i'm influenced by the devil?

Just help me clarify this loving Christianity thing. It sounds interesting.

 

[Valjean]

If we had a common ancestor which you do claim, then would early life not have had a mother. Or do you conceive of it as some sort of spontaneous combustion of life sort of thing? Ha.

Even if we go back in your evo mind as far as the flatworm, it seems they had some mom op action.

If we're talking origins we have to go back way past the flatworms. For most of life's history it was unicellular -- and had no mothers or fathers.

 

[dad]

I already did. Didn't work. Next?

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If you claim nature was the same in the pre KT days then you need to show the evidence. Nature/laws would need to be the same to have the reactions we have today and to have DNA work the same of course.

Additionally, you can't toss out some similar feature in different creatures and try to claim that as evidence that we all had a common ancestor! All that is evidence of is that your religious views are narrow!

 

[dad]

@dad

Just answer me a couple of questions:

Can you naturally turn dust into a living adult human being (or seen it done), without magic, miracle or divine intervention?

If yes, then how?

If no, why cannot it happen?

No one can say what woulda coulda shoulda maybe theoretically possibly happen in the right imaginary conditions in a universe with no God! Nor is that science! Religion.

 

[Darkstorn]

If you claim nature was the same in the pre KT days then you need to show the evidence. Nature/laws would need to be the same to have the reactions we have today and to have DNA work the same of course.

I already said i can't disprove last thursdayism. It's unfalsifiable because it assumes all counter-evidence is loaded with "embedded age." It's really up to you to show how such a ridiculous notion could be true.

I feel like puking a bit. Last thursdayists...

Additionally, you can't toss out some similar feature in different creatures and try to claim that as evidence that we all had a common ancestor! All that is evidence of is that your religious views are narrow!

I'm not tossing it out. You are. I'm including it.

 

[siti]

...do you conceive of it as some sort of spontaneous combustion of life sort of thing? Ha.

More like spontaneous combustion of your argument I think...perhaps you meant "spontaneous generation" but I can see how you might have been distracted by descriptions of homosexual frottage among our evolutionary ancestors (incidentally another family trait we share with giraffes - I'm sure you'll be pleased to learn)...but tell me - wouldn't your argument here be 'extrapolating'? How do we know that our evolutionary ancestors had to have moms if nature was not the same back then? Credit where credit is due though - your post is a delightfully gay contribution - love it for that!

Oh - and BTW - yes there have been some rats in my ancestry - but not to worry - I can just do what you do with inconvenient facts - deny 'em, deny everything Baldrick!

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, the method of omitting the creator and imagining other ways to explain creation at any cost!

To assume a divine creator would be unwarranted.
Very little of science is actually about origins of things, eg, life, the universe.

Of what use would it be to assume a creator in fields of.....
Organic chemistry?
Metallurgy?
General relativity?
Quantum mechanics?
I'm wondering specifically how it would improve or even change the theories?
How many creators would one assume?
Which one or several?
What difference would each choice make?
Benevolent or vengeful creators?

See where all that is going?
Applying Occam's Razor, your proposed assumption is superfluous.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

stop, don't, come back

 

[dad]

Nice catch-all. Even if i were interested, you'd just state that. If i can't just accept your claims as given like BAM, you'll accuse me of avoiding the obvious. Nice.

Very Christian of you.

If interest existed one suspects it might show a little. But if you are interested in learning, great.

 

[Darkstorn]

If interest existed one suspects it might show a little. But if you are interested in learning, great.

Oh i'm definitely not interested. I just expected you to be able to defend your claims with something better than "it's obvious, if you don't see it, too bad."

Okay, i didn't really expect that at all.