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Science IS religion

dad

Undefeated
Your evidence?


In a study published last week, the team, led by Assistant Professor of Biology Casey Dunn, used a San Diego supercomputer and new DNA sequencing techniques to establish Acoelomorpha flatworms as our most distant bilateral relatives.​
DNA Researchers Prove Human-Flatworm Link

And of course stem cells of worms and humans are essentially identical to humans
The article did not even mention HOW they established the worms as distant cousins. I can help...religion!

Looking at another article I see it mentions stem cells this way..

"Stem cells are cellular all-rounders and can differentiate into any tissue...."

Stem cells of worms, humans more similar than expected: The same regulatory mechanisms are active in the stem cells of flatworms and humans

So the cells you mention are basically all round building blocks. Ha.

If I use bricks to build a fireplace and bricks in the building of a castle, does that mean a castle is distant cousin of a fireplace?
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
It is not personal.
Yes it is. If it weren't for your beliefs, and the fact that you think evolution contradicts them, this wouldn't be an issue.

The basis of origin sciences is belief based regardless of what opinion you or I may have.
Your opinion is not a fact.

Theists killed Jesus, so?
So evolution is not atheistic. To draw a parallel or relation between them is dishonest.

Name any prediction used that has to do with the evolution of life from simple life forms like a flatworm?
Predictions of evolutionary ancestors in the fossil record.

Ha. You see, using the knowledge that evolution does happen is not using TOE. Using observed realities of creation that exist is just working with nature!
... Using predictions based on evolutionary theory. Which means it works.

False. Man is a spirit and soul, not just a blob of chemicals.
Prove it.

A person can have 10 children and every one of them will be different, regardless of similar looking physical traits.
Irrelevant.

It is not what goes in to us that defiles us, but what comes out...like the fables of science spewing from the mouths of so called science prophets.

Because Scripture says God forms us in the womb. Part of what we are is spirit, not just meat or flesh or goop.

Science doesn't know! Ha. Otherwise you would not have to ask. There are no natural processes that produce men from thin air or dirt. There is no random process that produces life. If a baby is made using a test tube, that is a created being using created materials and processes already set up by God and using the forces and laws and nature set up in a world with air and water and food that God set up...to tinker with or manipulate or be involved in the reproductive process God set up!
Exposing your theistic bias doesn't make you look more reasonable.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
The article did not even mention HOW they established the worms as distant cousins. I can help...religion!
There is only one currently known mechanism whereby populations of organisms can share genetic information - common ancestry.

Looking at another article I see it mentions stem cells this way..

"Stem cells are cellular all-rounders and can differentiate into any tissue...."

Stem cells of worms, humans more similar than expected: The same regulatory mechanisms are active in the stem cells of flatworms and humans

So the cells you mention are basically all round building blocks. Ha.

If I use bricks to build a fireplace and bricks in the building of a castle, does that mean a castle is distant cousin of a fireplace?
You don't know the difference between cells and genes?
 

Darkstorn

This shows how unique i am.
As you were told no way, nothing like that. I am not suggested embedded ages. Get over it.

Yes, you are. You're trying to hide it though. I'll demonstrate with the rest of this post.

No, the deception of yours. That doesn't affect reality or me.

As first part of my demonstration i'll notify you that you didn't negate my claim of you being a young earth creationist. This will come into play later too.

The faith of God and creation by Him is not my idea actually. Nor are you probably capable of discussing that and that is not the topic. Your belief system is. Science so called.

I wasn't talking about ideas at all there. Try to read your opponents' posts as they are instead of how you're imagining them to be. What i actually did was claim that this thread is really about your beliefs, and specifically, your trouble connecting these beliefs to science. Your solution:

Keep badmouthing science. Then you don't have to do any connecting.

You're practically describing psychological defence mechanisms. Last thursdayism IS a psychological defence mechanism.

You are wrong. The tampering is a conspiracy theory inside your head.

= Since your god doesn't do any tampering, it's all of US who are being deceived by the devil.

This is still last thursdayism. Just a more obscure form of it. You're trying to decry ALL your opponents in one fell swoop. Instead of your own god. But it's still exactly the same thing, and exactly same part of your brain being engaged.

Aside from your insults try and focus on ideas rather than persons in a debate. I would be a fool NOT to insult evo fables falsely called science. That is nothing like your personal (attempted) insults.

So, you're asking me to stop insulting you, even though that's not what i'm doing, and are giving yourself a free pass to insult everyone else... Because it's "obviously right."

That's cognitive dissonance. You are actually acting highly delusional here. This is an observation.

So is this your claim? Try and relate posts to the thread and posters at hand.

I am relating it to to you. You're a last thursdayist.

My claim is that science of origins is belief based. Nothing to do with your strawman diversion. Really. Science really does assume and therefore claim that nature.laws were the same in the past. That is a basis for models of the past. Why can you not prove or support this basis for science claims? Instead we see lies about what my position is, repeated even after I clarified how you were not even in the ball park. This shows us you are DESPERATE to avoid dealing with having to support the basis and beliefs used for actual origin science claims. It also shows a deep dishonesty in lying about my position.

Empty rhetoric, but you display the very same defence mechanisms i was talking about earlier.

False. I do not keep with flood geology at all! That is a lie.

It's a lie, from me, to make the claim that you believe in Noah's flood?

Alright, alright, the flood is a silly story anyway. What was i thinking. Of course you don't believe in it.

Nor is the delusion of the deceived due to God tampering with evidence.

So, everyone else IS being deceived but you? Very convenient.

It's also a form of last thursdayism.

As you were told it is due to the beliefs you impose on things when looking at them, so that they then start to look old to you.

That's last thursdayism again. You're literally advocating for the idea that the world is 6000 years ago, and that god didn't plant evidence to make it look like millions of years ago: Instead we're just being deceived by satan.

Still the same thing. I don't believe in satan. You do.

The reasons it looks old are faith based.

That's just rhetoric and you know it. You're a young earth creationist. By default you believe the exact opposite. And you're trying to make sense of it all by relying on last thursdayism. This is why your points are not convincing:

Last thursdayists tend to be insane.

Namely that our laws and nature existed back then, so that we had the radioactive decay and etc. All your premises rest on that belief of a same state past. Nothing looks old without it!

All your premises rest on the belief of last thursdayism. Nothing looks young without it.

Never. That would be your religion that deceives. Like the OP says. Focus. be honest.

I think i should stop trying to feed your delusions. You're a YEC and a last thursdayist. You keep claiming that "my religion deceives" yet you haven't shown it to be case. But i fully know you have convinced yourself that it's all you need to do: Just shout and yell, and tell them to repent.

That is why you blather on about 'these evidences' without providing any!

I am not providing any. I've seen your previous arguments too. Every single time someone TRIES to even post evidence, you make the argument that "bu but you can't prove old age" because the implements with which we could do that have been poisoned by satan. And every time someone tries to give you evidence of the past, you just assume we'll all accept your alternative explanation: Last thursdayism.

So you engage in personal insults, lie about my position repeatedly, fail to defend your beliefs falsely called science and then finish the symphony of insanity with an insult to the Almighty!

So you engage in ignoring the point of what was said because you saw someone call your god things you didn't like. And then expecting me to recoil in horror for realizing what i have done.

I called your god a dodgy bastid.

Not bad for someone accusing others of insulting people.

I'm accusing you of insulting others. Yet i'm also making the claim that i'm not actually insulting you in any way, but you're such a small minded person that you FEEL insulted by everything i say. And especially everything what i represent. That's all that really ever happened. You got insulted by me existing.

You are a young earth creationist, trying to do apologetics. That's what last thursdayism usually is.
 
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gnostic

The Lost One
You don't know the difference between cells and genes?
From the look of his latest replies - no, he doesn’t understand the differences.

What I don’t understand about dad or any other creationists, is why they make fools of themselves by talking about the subject which they don’t understand. It only demonstrated their ignorance.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The article did not even mention HOW they established the worms as distant cousins. I can help...religion!

Looking at another article I see it mentions stem cells this way..

"Stem cells are cellular all-rounders and can differentiate into any tissue...."

Stem cells of worms, humans more similar than expected: The same regulatory mechanisms are active in the stem cells of flatworms and humans

So the cells you mention are basically all round building blocks. Ha.

If I use bricks to build a fireplace and bricks in the building of a castle, does that mean a castle is distant cousin of a fireplace?

Actually is gives s rough outline of how, that will have to do. I am not providing academic citations because there is no point, if you are willing to learn i can provide you with excellent resources but i am not wasting my time for you to ignore my trying to help you

Building blocks made of DNA, maybe you didnt consider that

Your strawman is noted, it is also noted that both are brick constructions... Way to fail... Ha;
 

dad

Undefeated
Yes it is. If it weren't for your beliefs, and the fact that you think evolution contradicts them, this wouldn't be an issue.
Nothing contradicts my beliefs actually, unless you mean other beliefs.

Your opinion is not a fact.
Is that your opinion!?

So evolution is not atheistic. To draw a parallel or relation between them is dishonest.
Take a microscope and look for the creator in either one. Get back to us with the results.

Predictions of evolutionary ancestors in the fossil record.
Nonsense. Name one. Finding a fish that adapted to land (or was created for both land and water) is not finding a creature evolution predicted. That is TOE fraudulently claiming credit for God's work, and doing so based solely on faith.

... Using predictions based on evolutionary theory. Which means it works.
NO prediction is working that is based on the early aspects of the theory, ONLY what is based on observed processes of creation!


Exposing your theistic bias doesn't make you look more reasonable.
Bias works in all belief systems. You just are sore that my bias is not for your religion.
 

dad

Undefeated
There is only one currently known mechanism whereby populations of organisms can share genetic information - common ancestry.
That has zero to do with mechanisms that used to exist. Origin issues involve a time long gone you know.

You don't know the difference between cells and genes?
When speaking of building blocks and chemical process and etc that help make up a human being, one need not religiously separate terms.
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
No one hinted at any such foolishness. Try to debate honestly, even though you come from a disadvantaged intellectual position with your evo belief system. Otherwise lurkers will catch on that you make stuff up.

Then answer the question... or people just might catch on that you're a hypocrite.

How come you dismiss evolution because no one has actually witnessed it happening, yet you accept that the Earth orbits the sun... even though NO ONE HAS EVER WITNESSED IT happening?

Your previous answer that people have always seen that the planets move doesn't cut it. It's the fact that we figured out that they move in orbit around the sun - even though NO ONE HAS EVER WITNESSED IT - that's important here.

So you have a choice. You can either be consistent and dismiss that the Earth orbits the sun, because no one has ever witnessed it OR you can admit that it's certainly not a requirement that we be able to actually witness everything that the scientific method can figure out.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I do not judge you or anyone actually. Nor do I have to play a guessing game as to what God agrees with. He wrote it down for us and Jesus verified it was true.
You don't know that. You call others out for having knowledge, they don't have, yet you do it yourself.
You don't have knowledge. You have faith. Don't confuse the 2.
 

dad

Undefeated
As first part of my demonstration i'll notify you that you didn't negate my claim of you being a young earth creationist. This will come into play later too.
Of course the world is not that old and created. Why would anyone negate that?

What i actually did was claim that this thread is really about your beliefs, and specifically, your trouble connecting these beliefs to science.
Reading secret motives into topics is a presumptuous and pompous and off topic mental mind game.

You're practically describing psychological defence mechanisms. Last thursdayism IS a psychological defence mechanism.
Maybe do like Lucy in Charlie Brown and set up a little booth to try and sell your less than dime store attempts at physiological advice!


= Since your god doesn't do any tampering, it's all of US who are being deceived by the devil.

Forget about who hads beliefs that may be in error or not here. Focus on admitting your so called science is a belief.

You're trying to decry ALL your opponents in one fell swoop. Instead of your own god.
Actually I am pointing out that so called origin sciences are belief based. That means they are NOT real science. Once that is realized, then it is every belief for himself. May the best belief prevail. Now if you want to compare beliefs, fine, open a thread on that and prepare for a surprise. meanwhile, quit whining and offering invented strawman diversions. Deal with you religion being roasted here!


So, you're asking me to stop insulting you, even though that's not what i'm doing, and are giving yourself a free pass to insult everyone else... Because it's "obviously right."
Go back and read your post that I responded to. Give your head a shake, then get back to us.
That's cognitive dissonance. You are actually acting highly delusional here. This is an observation.
You fail to admit origin science is a belief and that is dishonest. Then you try to pin the rap on others rather than admitting defeat. How knavish.
I am relating it to to you. You're a last thursdayist.
Lie.



It's a lie, from me, to make the claim that you believe in Noah's flood?
Of course I believe in the flood. That was not the lie.

So, everyone else IS being deceived but you?
Not everyone. Some realize origin science are beief based. You should be so lucky.

That's last thursdayism again. You're literally advocating for the idea that the world is 6000 years ago, and that god didn't plant evidence to make it look like millions of years ago: Instead we're just being deceived by satan.
Total falsehood and nothing remotely similar to what I say or believe or post! You have a hard time dealing with reality? Yes the world is something like 6000 years or whatever. No, there is no planted evidence, that is INSANE! Just because your religion misreads evidences and splatters evidences with beliefs does not mean anyone planted anything anywhere. Don't blame others. Your delusions are internal!
Still the same thing. I don't believe in satan. You do.
Great. So what? You are setting up a strawman then trying to knock it down.

All your premises rest on the belief of last thursdayism. Nothing looks young without it.
When people repeat lies very often it tells me they have zero interest in the truth. But for lurkers the truth is this: the reasons rocks and other things look old is because of beliefs. Not because of some last week hocus pocus. Specific beliefs such as that the present nature and radioactive decay here that we see..etc..represents how nature always was.
. You keep claiming that "my religion deceives" yet you haven't shown it to be case.

The religion spoken about here is the beliefs of origin sciences. The very fact that it is offered as science rather than beliefs is proof it is deceptive.

I am not providing any. I've seen your previous arguments too. Every single time someone TRIES to even post evidence, you make the argument that "bu but you can't prove old age" because the implements with which we could do that have been poisoned by satan.
Repeating your lies again will not help you here. The reason old ages cannot be proven is because they are based on belief.

Prove that the laws and nature in the past was the same as now? Otherwise you may not model the past (as science does) based on that premise!
And every time someone tries to give you evidence of the past, you just assume we'll all accept your alternative explanation:
There is no evidence of old ages only beliefs. If people offer their opinions as beliefs we can respect that. When a fraud is committed and these beliefs are presented as science, action should be taken.


So you engage in ignoring the point of was was said
Not true, I am quite familiar with the belief set used and treat it as such, rather than ignore something that is actual fact or evidence. The jig is up and you will not be allowed to offer religion as science here anymore.

I called your god a dodgy bastid.
Yes we know. A cowardly and dishonest way of insulting the Almighty. So?



I'm accusing you of insulting others. Yet i'm also making the claim that i'm not actually insulting you in any way, but you're such a small minded person that you FEEL insulted by everything i say. And especially everything what i represent. That's all that really ever happened. You got insulted by me existing.

You are a young earth creationist, trying to do apologetics. That's what last thursdayism usually is.[/QUOTE]
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Jesus is the only way. The door. The One who died to give us eternal life. There is no other way. All that ever came before or after are thieves and robbers.
[ His name is Jesus.
Ok, He stayed dead only three days and two nights. He did not die for our sins. He took the weekend off for our sins.

Paying for our sins that way was pretty cheap, wasn’t it?

Ciao

- viole
 

dad

Undefeated
Actually is gives s rough outline of how, that will have to do. I am not providing academic citations because there is no point, if you are willing to learn i can provide you with excellent resources but i am not wasting my time for you to ignore my trying to help you

Building blocks made of DNA, maybe you didnt consider that

Your strawman is noted, it is also noted that both are brick constructions... Way to fail... Ha;
God used certain material in thins that are alive. Yes building blocks is one way of putting it. You can pretend the article covered details if you like. Then you can avoid discussing or posting support or details of how you think DNA in worms proves humans are related! ha.

Next time don't other spamming links you cannot discuss or support.
 

dad

Undefeated
Then answer the question... or people just might catch on that you're a hypocrite.

How come you dismiss evolution because no one has actually witnessed it happening, yet you accept that the Earth orbits the sun... even though NO ONE HAS EVER WITNESSED IT happening?
The reason your religious fable is rejected is not because you did not observe it. The reason is because there is no reason to believe it. Basically TOE is creation denial with no reason. The basis for claims man descended from other creatures is not supportable. Religion.

Your previous answer that people have always seen that the planets move doesn't cut it. It's the fact that we figured out that they move in orbit around the sun - even though NO ONE HAS EVER WITNESSED IT - that's important here.
Great. So what? Obviously the earth orbits...so? You think this helps your religion?
So you have a choice. You can either be consistent and dismiss that the Earth orbits the sun, because no one has ever witnessed it OR you can admit that it's certainly not a requirement that we be able to actually witness everything that the scientific method can figure out.
No one obliviously would have witnessed creation. Nor would anyone have been there to witness early phases of TOE. What is your point?
 

dad

Undefeated
Ok, He stayed dead only three days and two nights. He did not die for our sins. He took the weekend off for our sins.

Paying for our sins that way was pretty cheap, wasn’t it?

Ciao

- viole
Maybe start a thread on blasphemy, see how that works for you.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Maybe start a thread on blasphemy, see how that works for you.

Blasphemy? That is just what happened according to the mythology, didn’t it?
So, either it never happened, or it was lame. Your call.

Ciao

- viole
 
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