Science IS religion

[Subduction Zone]

Believe what you like, science does not know anything about it.

Projection again. If you knew what you were talking about you could do so without referring to a book of myths.

You do realize that there are real Christians out there that are not afraid, don't you?

 

[dad]

Projection again. If you knew what you were talking about you could do so without referring to a book of myths.

You do realize that there are real Christians out there that are not afraid, don't you?

The proof is in the pudding, not in the empty blab.

 

[sooda]

Not sure why you are stuck on Babel. Maybe it impressed you? Maybe science has no clue about it?

Since you keep mentioning it, I might as well share some juicy tid bits about it. Since the time of the nature change probably coincided with the tower of Babel, that means that mountain building/uplift/continental separation etc probably came after this time or around that time. This would likely mean that the site of the actual tower was plowed miles under! That may be why you can't find it today! That would also mean that men speaking different languages got moved around the world on the continents, as well as animals and etc, explaining fossil migrations, and how the animals got all over after the time of the flood. This would also explain the origin of the major world religions!

Good grief.. The Tower of Babel is a myth to explain the collapse of a civilization and the loss of literacy. LOLOL.

Meanwhile, they built watchtowers all over the Middle East.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

They just believe and reject history and the bible for n reason.

For "No reason?" Ever done the math of how close Canan is to Egypt? It took them over 40 years to get there? All these plague of Egypt and a battle lost to a river during the exodus ... yet the Egyptian records don't bother to record them? No evidence supporting a world wide flood? No ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah? Do you know why there is no evidence to substantiate these abject lessons in history?

Because it isn't "history" ....

Origin science does not believe in history.

That's because bible tales aren't history.

Fundamentalists have really hurt education in our country. Shame. Probably why we are falling behind in math and science.

Couldn't agree more! I know it robbed me of knowledge of the world as it really was for a good 20 years.

You cannot support your beliefs you thought were a part of science.

You speak as it the "beliefs you thought were a part of science" have already been soundly refuted. I don't know how to take that: Funny? Pitiful? Not sure how to take that.

Try to remember that your only job here is to support your belief based claims as something more than just beliefs. (not to insult people with other beliefs)

Well, since you are assigning tasks, what's my task?

You know, I can not mock a believer in Nessie too hard. After all, the idea that this being exists is not inconsistent with the natural world and does not violate the laws of nature or genetics. Same goes for a Bigfoot believer. Someone who believes we are visited and abducted by aliens and some of these are held in Area 51? Well, we know there are other planets out there that may support intelligent life, and that some of these may have acquired the knowledge for interstellar travel; this goes against plausibility, but not possibility.

But the views of the religious which they hold to be true opposes the very laws of nature itself and are thus much more worthy of mockery than any mentioned above.

No, just showing you how your "defense" of your "different state past" is the exact same as the defense of "last thursdayism".

Literalists have a very difficult time understanding analogy. It's not wired into them.

Why does science not even know what causes nature and forces today, such as the strong nuclear force? Why is science incapable of telling us what laws and forces were like in the past? Don't blame me, either they are or are not capable. Why can't they detect spirits? Did you think noting could exist beyond the very limited powers and abilities of physical only, present nature science to detect??

So, pointing out what we don't know, means that we don't know anything. Any idea how faulty that logic is?

As far as "why can't they detect spirits?" Probably because there's no such thing. It's like trying to detect dragons.

Demon loving judges?

'Scuse me. Most politicians (including Judges) are theists, mostly christian? Few, if any, non-christians stand a chance in politics in the United States? Have you performed any fact checking or have any evidence or statement from the presiding justices to show that their religious beliefs include demonology or satanism? No? Hmmm.

They do not love the unborn children that they order assassinated.

I have never heard of a judge "ordering" an abortion. If such a thing were to occur, I think I'd have issue with it; so please, provide links of judges who orders abortions.

Judges are experts in the concept of evidence. They have to be. It is sort of a requirement.

Careful with this one. They made a very bad call in their recent determination that abortion stemmed from the eugenics program. No scholar of this part of history agrees with them, calling it "bad history". They are experts in the concept of evidence as it relates to law; not necessarily science or history.

I do not usually participate in discussions of child sacrifice, as I am not for it, so there is no possible discussion, period. (especially in a science thread).

Child sacrifice? You are so removed from reality, I think its time you seek professional help. Abortion is not "sacrifice". The Macedonians murdered children to appease their gods. That is "child sacrifice". I could give more examples. Oh: Here's an interesting one: Jephthah! Now, this actually fits the definition of "child sacrifice".

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Try to get a grip. I need not defend beliefs in this thread.

LOL!
Indeed you don't, because you can't. Instead, you assume your beliefs as given facts that don't even require any validation and you do so by shifting the burden of proof, strawmanning the opposition, and by stuffing your ears while screaming "lalala".

Indeed, you aren't defending your beliefs. Not in this thread, not in any thread.
Properly defending your beliefs is something you wish to avoid at all costs.

You had one quest and failed, and that was to support the same state past nature

The null hypothesis does not require any defending or support

It's deviating from the null hypothesis (like claiming that physics / chemistry / biology / ... worked differently last thursday or in the more distant past), that requires defending and supporting evidence.

The claim discussed here is that science claims a same state past on earth, and uses that in all models! Focus.

Because there is no reason not to.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

There is no lack of evidence. The continental separation, fossil record, history,

None of those support that massive event. If anything, they contradict it.

Scripture

Scripture is the claim. The claim can't be evidence of itself.

You smear it all with same state past belief

It's the null hypothesis. There's no evidence suggesting we should deviate from the null hypothesis.
If you have evidence that the past was different then the present in terms of physics, chemistry, biology, etc, feel free to make your case. Until such a case is properly made, there is no reason to deviate from the null hypothesis.

Dunk it. Submerge it. Spray it. Coat it. Then you submit it to religious peers for review to make sure it is very well tainted and colored.

You seem to be confusing science with how creationist propaganda sees the light of day.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Believe what you like, science does not know anything about it.

Science doesn't know about tooth fairies or extra-dimensional unicorns either.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The proof is in the pudding, not in the empty blab.

So you are saying that you are wrong again. After all at least in this thread it you appear to be the king of empty blab. And there is no "proof" of your beliefs at all, no matter what comes out of the kitchen.

 

[Darkstorn]

'Scuse me. Most politicians (including Judges) are theists, mostly christian? Few, if any, non-christians stand a chance in politics in the United States? Have you performed any fact checking or have any evidence or statement from the presiding justices to show that their religious beliefs include demonology or satanism? No? Hmmm.

Apparently there's exactly 1 atheist senator in the US. As far as i know, NO judges. Literally, zero.

Don't have all the links about it, but i've read about this. Atheists in America aren't really a thing in politics unless they lie about their beliefs, or are actual atheist activists. No "regular atheists" whatsoever.

I'll only have this, it's quite a short list:

List of atheists in politics and law - Wikipedia

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Why can't they detect spirits?

For the same reason that they can't detect immortal thetans, extra-dimensional unicorns, undetectable 7-headed dragons or our reptilian overlords from the planet Niburu

Did you think noting could exist beyond the very limited powers and abilities of physical only, present nature science to detect??

One doesn't know in advance what does and doesn't exist.
That's why one asks for evidence in support of knowledge claims.

Like for example when someone claims to know that "chemistry/physics/biology/etc worked differently in the past" (last thursday)

 

[dad]

For "No reason?" Ever done the math of how close Canan is to Egypt? It took them over 40 years to get there?

Regressed into general gripes and doubts with the bible, eh?
God led them each and every day. The forest you missed because of the trees is that He had a reason NOT to allow them to enter the promised land until they were ready.

All these plague of Egypt and a battle lost to a river during the exodus ... yet the Egyptian records don't bother to record them?

Leaders tend to cover things that are embarrassing. Some records get expunged or white washed etc. One reason God gave His Own records.

No evidence supporting a world wide flood?

All evidence agrees, and the KT layer seems like possible evidence for a worldwide event of a sedimentary nature that caused extinctions/death. That layer even has stuff IN it that science says comes from space and deep under the planet! SAME places flood waters came from. Don't blame your religious misreading of the evidences on anyone else.

No ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah? Do you know why there is no evidence to substantiate these abject lessons in history?

God destroys a wicked city with fire from heaven, and you claim He should have left some rubble?? Ha. One material associated with remains of that event is salt though. Funny enough the dead sea area is, well very salty!

You speak as it the "beliefs you thought were a part of science" have already been soundly refuted.

As delusional and desperate as you may be, sorry, no support whatsoever has been given that is not wholly belief based. None. I kid you not. That is why we see no link to said fantasy.

Well, since you are assigning tasks, what's my task?

Prove there was a same nature in the past and that time is the same in deep space or lose uniformitism as your basis for models of the past or future!

Well, we know there are other planets out there that may support intelligent life,

No you do not! You have no way of knowing distances to the stars, or the stuff orbiting out there far far out of this solar system. What you thought was a galaxy could actually be ten times the size, or the size of a marble! What you imagined was some planet could be closer to the size of a grain of sand for all science knows! ALL the calculations of cosmology regarding the deep universe are wrong! Religion.

and that some of these may have acquired the knowledge for interstellar travel; this goes against plausibility, but not possibility.

Thankfully, the time table of the Almighty for man on earth will not allow man to probably get to the stars. (as in actual stars far from the solar system). I would not want to see the disappointment if man actually got out there thinking he had some place to run from earth, and found out that it was nothing remotely similar to what he thought!

Literalists have a very difficult time understanding analogy. It's not wired into them.

Pr 26:7 - The legs of the lame are not equal: so is a parable in the mouth of fools.

So, pointing out what we don't know, means that we don't know anything.

Origin sciences is in the dark. Actual science does know some things. Not everything though.

As far as "why can't they detect spirits?" Probably because there's no such thing.

Egypt, Sumer, Assyria and most other great nations in history were all recording falsehoods. Some conspiracy theory! But you feel you can wave away human experience of the ages just because physical only science can't deal with them!!! Ha. That is one trait of your religion that is shared with some others, very narrow minded and in denial.

'Scuse me. Most politicians (including Judges) are theists, mostly christian? Few, if any, non-christians stand a chance in politics in the United States? Have you performed any fact checking or have any evidence or statement from the presiding justices to show that their religious beliefs include demonology or satanism? No? Hmmm.

A tree is known by it's fruit. When people condone child sacrifice that tells us they are either not of God, or very far from His heart and will. When a court allows that ritualistic murder, it is basically ordering executions. Even lesser courts might side with a family member who wanted to engage in that act, so the court would be responsible also.

Careful with this one. They made a very bad call in their recent determination that abortion stemmed from the eugenics program. No scholar of this part of history agrees with them, calling it "bad history". They are experts in the concept of evidence as it relates to law; not necessarily science or history.

The spirit behind the murder of humanity is the same. I don't think history records the spiritual aspect of things.

Child sacrifice?

Correct. Sacrificing babies to causes that are 'greater', such as a better lifestyle, career, etc etc.

Abortion is not "sacrifice". The Macedonians murdered children to appease their gods. That is "child sacrifice".

People do the same to appease parents, family, peers, fears, or get gain, or get ahead...etc etc etc.

Jephthah! Now, this actually fits the definition of "child sacrifice".

Maybe start a thread for your plethora of bible misconceptions.

 

[dad]

LOL!
Indeed you don't, because you can't.

I sure could actually. The thread is not about all the wonderful things one could do. The thread is about origin sciences beliefs, and how some have fraudulently claimed they were science.

The null hypothesis does not require any defending or support

Lurkers: in common English, this means he cannot prove the same nature in the past that he insists on using in ALL models of the past and then claiming they are science and fact!!!!

Hahaha

 

[dad]

None of those support that massive event. If anything, they contradict it.

Misconception. It all agrees. Name anything.

Scripture is the claim. The claim can't be evidence of itself.

Scripture is the record. Origin science makes a claim of uniformitism!

 

[dad]

Science doesn't know about tooth fairies or extra-dimensional unicorns either.

True. Add that to the list I guess.

 

[dad]

For the same reason that they can't detect immortal thetans, extra-dimensional unicorns, undetectable 7-headed dragons or our reptilian overlords from the planet Niburu

When science admits to only covering the natural world it would not be a sound endeavor to ask it about the supernatural. Might as well ask a bat to draw a map of the world.

One doesn't know in advance what does and doesn't exist.
That's why one asks for evidence in support of knowledge claims.

Knowledge is not restricted to earth or the natural world of today. Science is!

 

[sooda]

Misconception. It all agrees. Name anything.
Scripture is the record. Origin science makes a claim of uniformitism!

Sinai is only 135 miles across at the widest point and it was under the control of Egypt as was Canaan during the 'Exodus'... Funny that Moses was educated in the Pharaoh's household, but didn't know the Pharaoh's name.

 

[Subduction Zone]

When science admits to only covering the natural world it would not be a sound endeavor to ask it about the supernatural. Might as well ask a bat to draw a map of the world.


Knowledge is not restricted to earth or the natural world of today. Science is!

I see that you are still living in your self imposed fish bowl. "Scripture", as you abuse it, has been shown to be false. That you do not know how to test it properly lowers it to religion no different from that of the most primitive of peoples. Your "God" is no different from the "Great Juju" or any of the Native American gods. You seem hellbent on refuting Christianity.

 

[dad]

Sinai is only 135 miles across at the widest point and it was under the control of Egypt as was Canaan during the 'Exodus'... Funny that Moses was educated in the Pharaoh's household, but didn't know the Pharaoh's name.

God's GPS avoided dangers and led them precisely. That is a matter of record as we see that by night and day He had the pillar of fire or smoke leading them. Additionally, He is a great recycler! Notice how He disposed of remains each day with the manna! I suspect He also disposed of bodies, garbage, pots, and whatever else may have been left by the people similarly! He may have took only memories and left only footprints in the sand.

 

[sooda]

I see that you are still living in your self imposed fish bowl. "Scripture", as you abuse it, has been shown to be false. That you do not know how to test it properly lowers it to religion no different from that of the most primitive of peoples. Your "God" is no different from the "Great Juju" or any of the Native American gods. You seem hellbent on refuting Christianity.

@dad

Sinai could not have supported 2 million Israelites and their herds.. Even now Sinai on has about 800,000 population. Harsh, harsh climate. Sinai was always the buffer zone that protected Egypt from its enemies. Egypt did have garrisons stationed there.

 

[sooda]

God's GPS avoided dangers and led them precisely. That is a matter of record as we see that by night and day He had the pillar of fire or smoke leading them. Additionally, He is a great recycler! Notice how He disposed of remains each day with the manna! I suspect He also disposed of bodies, garbage, pots, and whatever else may have been left by the people similarly! He may have took only memories and left only footprints in the sand.

Jeez Louise.. Have you ever been to the Sinai or Libyan desert or Arabia. Dust devils are not uncommon and they certainly aren't supernatural.