Unveiled Artist
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Instead of going back and forth, what exactly is the question or can you expand your OP?
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Science or Religion?
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Instead of going back and forth, what exactly is the question or can you expand your OP?
Ben Dhyan
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Do you think the Governor is correct, that God chose and directed the smart scientists to find the appropriate vaccine, and guide all the smart people to have the vaccine, and that those who don't have it are not listening to Him?
Ben Dhyan
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Given that there are many atheist scientists, how does that work?
RestlessSoul
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Both William of Occam and Roger Bacon were Franciscan friars.
Nicolas Copernicus was a Catholic canon
Mathematician and physicist Francesco Grimaldi was a Jesuit priest
The study of mathematics and astronomy flourished under the patronage of the 9th Century Abbasid Islamic Caliphate
I think we can conclude from this that antipathy between science and religion is not inevitable.
Nicolas Copernicus was a Catholic canon
Mathematician and physicist Francesco Grimaldi was a Jesuit priest
The study of mathematics and astronomy flourished under the patronage of the 9th Century Abbasid Islamic Caliphate
I think we can conclude from this that antipathy between science and religion is not inevitable.
They will be shown how science cannot work without faith, the same way faith has not worked without science.
Regards Tony
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Absolutely, no one is saying that, but I honestly do not believe what the Governor is saying also.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Only those who find God Tony, God will never force atheists to have religious faith, it must come from within.
I see that it will, they will find the wisdom from what the world is going to face in the years to come.
There is a great future of scence and faith working together.
The stars and beyond and many pearls of great price.
Regards Tony
rational experiences
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The scientific human thesis is I will find God for invention technology and power over everyone to wield.
In trade....to be the most powerful human organisation ever as a new one theme. Said by humans as humans for humans yet against natural human existence.
One scientific religious being.
Is in fact the status today.
Ask why men as humans taught no man is God.
Take a few moments to think won't you!!!
In trade....to be the most powerful human organisation ever as a new one theme. Said by humans as humans for humans yet against natural human existence.
One scientific religious being.
Is in fact the status today.
Ask why men as humans taught no man is God.
Take a few moments to think won't you!!!
A thiest who is a scientist, who is founded in God's way, does not want power over men. They will want to discover all that we can be, within the boundaries of God given Faith.
Regards Tony
Ben Dhyan
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All the kingdoms of God and the universe always exist, man will go into space and evolve, but the spiritual path proper leads to the spiritual kingdoms, that are not of this world. Iow, a spiritual aspirant doesn't have to wait until the future of science and faith working together arrives, now is all there ever is, and it is eternal.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
To keep man ignorant of his natural heritage.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Humans own little debate living only right now.
The claim life is eternal hence can only mean now. As a living human is the only type of human making the claim.
As the adult self. Two of humans.
If man travels into space he goes by machine only.
And he travels into darkness which is not life either.
In his machine he has to put oxygen to live as space does not own it.
Why machine thesis said by human is not life's owner.
The claim life is eternal hence can only mean now. As a living human is the only type of human making the claim.
As the adult self. Two of humans.
If man travels into space he goes by machine only.
And he travels into darkness which is not life either.
In his machine he has to put oxygen to live as space does not own it.
Why machine thesis said by human is not life's owner.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Man in man as natural heritage. Man says he is two of. A human first and a man secondly.
As you have to own thinking to describe yourself first.
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
I'd have to say this is a bit of a "stopped clock is right twice a day" issue. I agree that COVID vaccination is largely a good thing but the concept that they were only developed because God wanted that to happen is fundamentally flawed.
After all, COVID happened too.
They might have been brunettes, too.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Thats a false dichotomy.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
How so?
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
I've been waiting to introduce that point. God goes to all the trouble rounding up and guiding the smart scientists, then those to be rounded up and guided to have the vax, and now is left with these recalcitrants who wont have it. Why not just use His power to not have the covid pandemic happen to begin with, much simpler.