Science standards under threat in Arizona

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I'm having a problem with the grammar of that remark, and also, what hurdle?

The hurdle of meeting scientific standards like peer review. There is no "scientific conspiracy" against Creationism, Creationism simply fails as science. Complaining about the scientific method for being biased against your beliefs is kind of like crying foul that you can't win in a soccer game by playing checkers.

 

[Earthling]

No I don't. Perhaps you can explain what you're talking about.

Weakening science education due to one's religious beliefs and deliberately bypassing the scientific process seem pretty dishonest to me. What adjective would you use?

Irrelevant.

 

[Jose Fly]

Not sure why you posted that, since there's nothing about publishing papers in it.

Irrelevant.

It's exactly what's going on in Arizona, so it's entirely relevant.

 

[Earthling]

The hurdle of meeting scientific standards like peer review.

Who, Me?! I don't need anyone to think for me.

There is no "scientific conspiracy" against Creationism, Creationism simply fails as science.

Well, it fails at theology as well.

Complaining about the scientific method for being biased against your beliefs is kind of like crying foul that you can't win in a soccer game by playing checkers.

And you think that is the case in Arizona?

 

[Twilight Hue]

How is the public being mislead?

It's a horrible mis-service for an education system to promote completely unsubstantiated beliefs as a valid aspect of the scientific process.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, first of all, disproved theories can reveal scientific avenues of beneficial employment, so, Creationism, as lame as it's current state is, could do that. But, there are curricular disagreements resulting in the removal of material other than your precious evolution all the time. Nothing to get excited about is it?

Anyway, as I've often said here, I wouldn't want the Biblical creation account to be taught in public school. Religion has ****ed it up enough, thank you.

Creationism is not a theory, it is not even a hypothesis. It belongs to the scientific junk pile of being "not even wrong". In other words it is so worthless that nothing can be learned from it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Irrelevant.

Why post that pack of lies? Don't you realize that almost every claim of that movie was found to be false? By relying on idiots and liars even bright people look like idiots And liars.

 

[Earthling]

It's a horrible mis-service for an education system to promote completely unsubstantiated beliefs as a valid aspect of the scientific process.

I guess I just have a different take on the subject. First of all because I see evolution as unsubstantiated beliefs. Secondly I view the education system, as it is, as a metaphoric lobotomy. I wouldn't want anything of value to me corrupted by that system, and verily, someone in that system had to make the call, why would they have made the call and if they weren't qualified to make that call how did they come about making it?

So, to me it appears that atheists are desperately fixated on every millimeter of ground in the public schools for obvious reasons undisclosed. Does this horrify me in and of itself. Not at all. It sort of amuses me. If I wanted to engage the interest of young minds in any given subject the last place I would choose to do so would be the educational system.

 

[Earthling]

Creationism is not a theory, it is not even a hypothesis.

Did I say it was? Anyway, like I said, Creationism in it's current state is lame, and really bad theology if you could call it that, in as much as you could call any bad theology bad.

It belongs to the scientific junk pile of being "not even wrong".

What does it have to do with science? Creationism could be in the "scientific junk pile" with a great deal of company, that is the nature of science, is it not? You can't claim science discards that which doesn't work without acknowledging that some of it doesn't work.

In other words it is so worthless that nothing can be learned from it.

Like I said, things have been learned from science that has been discarded in the past. Your comments only demonstrate a quasi religiosity.

 

[Earthling]

Why post that pack of lies? Don't you realize that almost every claim of that movie was found to be false? By relying on idiots and liars even bright people look like idiots And liars.

Bull****

 

[Earthling]

Not sure why you posted that, since there's nothing about publishing papers in it.

Are you sure you didn't black out in a blind rage while watching it? Anyway, in the cases presented in the video, qualified individuals, including professors with tenure, which I'm sure exceeds your qualifications, wouldn't have the opportunity to get to the point of publishing. Just hinting at opposition in the new tyrannical realm of academia will get you quickly discarded.

It's exactly what's going on in Arizona, so it's entirely relevant.

What is exactly what's going on in Arizona? You made that comment with nothing connecting it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I guess I just have a different take on the subject. First of all because I see evolution as unsubstantiated beliefs. Secondly I view the education system, as it is, as a metaphoric lobotomy. I wouldn't want anything of value to me corrupted by that system, and verily, someone in that system had to make the call, why would they have made the call and if they weren't qualified to make that call how did they come about making it?

So, to me it appears that atheists are desperately fixated on every millimeter of ground in the public schools for obvious reasons undisclosed. Does this horrify me in and of itself. Not at all. It sort of amuses me. If I wanted to engage the interest of young minds in any given subject the last place I would choose to do so would be the educational system.

That is only because you have no science education to speak of. At best you are one of the ignorant ones.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Bull****

Nope, it is the "Gospel" truth. If you care to try to learn I would not mind helping you. Sadly you could not even make an honest attempt when we discussed the Floor myth. I don't think that you will fare any better if you try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are you sure you didn't black out in a blind rage while watching it? Anyway, in the cases presented in the video, qualified individuals, including professors with tenure, which I'm sure exceeds your qualifications, wouldn't have the opportunity to get to the point of publishing. Just hinting at opposition in the new tyrannical realm of academia will get you quickly discarded.



What is exactly what's going on in Arizona? You made that comment with nothing connecting it.

Nope, the video merely has people that lost all credibility due to their dishonesty.

 

[Earthling]

That is only because you have no science education to speak of. At best you are one of the ignorant ones.

Interesting. I graduated high school without ever having failed, and I was taught evolution for years, so, I guess that only serves to qualify my estimation of public schools and the significance of teaching evolution therein.

 

[Earthling]

Nope, it is the "Gospel" truth. If you care to try to learn I would not mind helping you. Sadly you could not even make an honest attempt when we discussed the Floor myth. I don't think that you will fare any better if you try again.

Oh, I was just pulling your leg then. You know, just for fun.

 

[Earthling]

Nope, the video merely has people that lost all credibility due to their dishonesty.

Well, I knew it had to be either dishonesty or ignorance . . . what else could it be?

 

[Jose Fly]

in the cases presented in the video, qualified individuals, including professors with tenure, which I'm sure exceeds your qualifications, wouldn't have the opportunity to get to the point of publishing.

Nothing in that movie demonstrates that at all. To demonstrate that, they'd have to write up a manuscript, submit it to a relevant journal, and when the manuscript is rejected for arbitrary reasons, present the rejection letter for everyone to see.

Yet history shows that over the past 100 years or so, all sorts of papers that are critical of different aspects of evolutionary theory have been published. That's why the theory has changed quite a bit since Darwin's time.

So your conspiracy theory doesn't match reality.

Just hinting at opposition in the new tyrannical realm of academia will get you quickly discarded.

Lol...says a person who has absolutely no connection to academia at all.

What is exactly what's going on in Arizona? You made that comment with nothing connecting it.

Read the OP.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Interesting. I graduated high school without ever having failed, and I was taught evolution for years, so, I guess that only serves to qualify my estimation of public schools and the significance of teaching evolution therein.

And yet you have demonstrated that you have no understanding of the science at all. You may have gone to a poor school, but the fault is more likely to lie with you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, I knew it had to be either dishonesty or ignorance . . . what else could it be?

So you still can't be honest. Seriously, there are many people here that could help you to learn. @Jose Fly understands the science better than I do for one. Why not avail yourself of those willing to help you? It may disprove your version of Christianity, but that would only mean that your beliefs are wrong. It does not disprove Christianity itself. A difference that you do not seem to appreciate nor understand.