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Science vs Faith

Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Rick O'Shez said:
Nonsense, you continually make claims about the unknown, you have beliefs about it coming out of your ears.
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What is it you do not understand about the caveat of the necessity of using conceptual language to explain that absolute reality....the unity of the universe.....non-dual reality....can not be described or known by conceptualization.
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
ben d said:
What is it you do not understand about the caveat of the necessity of using conceptual language to explain that absolute reality....the unity of the universe.....non-dual reality....can not be described or known by conceptualization.
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"Unity of universe" is a conceptualisation. As is "non-dual reality". You have a head full of these.

I do wish you would cease with all the jargony deepity and just use plain English. You never properly define your jargony deepity, it just ends up with pointless tautology. And I don't see why the rest of us should have to guess at what your made-up language means.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Rick O'Shez said:
"Unity of universe" is a conceptualisation. As is "non-dual reality". You have a head full of these.

I do wish you would cease with all the jargony deepity and just use plain English. You never properly define your jargony deepity, it just ends up with pointless tautology. And I don't see why the rest of us should have to guess at what your made-up language means.
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I try but it seems you are not able to understand what is being said to you....
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
ben d said:
You will need to point out what jargon deepity I have used that you do not understand...
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I have repeatedly asked you to explain your jargon deepity but you never do, it is always tautology or tangents. It's pointless. And why on earth should I have to keep guessing about what your made-up language means? I think you are being rather arrogant.

So please start using plain English, start communicating in a straightforward and intelligible way.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Rick O'Shez said:
I have repeatedly asked you to explain your jargon deepity but you never do, it is always tautology or tangents. It's pointless. And why on earth should I have to keep guessing about what your made-up language means? I think you are being rather arrogant.

So please start using plain English, start communicating in a straightforward and intelligible way.
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Haha.....why are you avoiding my request....instead of hand waving about my use of jargon deepity....just point it out the precise examples so I can address it... I am using plain English so far as I am aware...
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
ben d said:
Haha.....why are you avoiding my request....instead of hand waving about my use of jargon deepity....just point it out the precise examples so I can address it... I am using plain English so far as I am aware...
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You talk in your own strange deepity language and never explain your jargon. There is far too much of this on this forum, too many self-proclaimed prophets who make up their own idiosnycratic jargon and then arrogantly insist that others use it, despite never clearly explaining what it means. It is all smoke and mirrors.

Your refusal to use plain English and communicate clearly speaks volumes.
 
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Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Rick O'Shez said:
You talk in your own strange deepity language and never explain your jargon.

Your refusal to use plain English and communicate clearly speaks volumes.
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I can't very well know what to explain until you point out the jargon deepity....hell I don't even know what jargon deepity is yet!! :)
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
beenherebeforeagain said:
What does the evidence show?

Does the evidence show that there is a Giant Spirit that causes everything that is now? (Exactly what evidence would that be? What testable, refutable property would we be measuring that would conclusively show that such a Spirit existed/exists?)

Does the evidence show that there is a point in space and time, when our understanding of the laws of physics break down, and we can at this time only speculate about what occurred before that point?

Does the evidence show that our current universe has existed unchanged forever?

Or does the evidence show something else?

Or is the evidence at this point in time inconclusive?
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you are asking for evidence?
and you know....all you can do is think about it (the beginning)....and make a choice

Spirit first?...or substance?

I like science as it makes te choice easier
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Sapiens said:
As a scientist I spent much more time and effort disproving things than doing anything else. That which could not be disproved at the time survived to become "science."
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so you question everything...and trust no one....

just as scripture instructs...
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Thief said:
you are asking for evidence?
and you know....all you can do is think about it (the beginning)....and make a choice

Spirit first?...or substance?

I like science as it makes te choice easier
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Sad that you cannot use said science to answer the questions in the post you quoted...

Do you consider your completely ignoring them to be dishonest?
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Thief said:
now explain how substance is self motivated....
science would disagree
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You're cheating and being naughty, you asked which came FIRST, and I told you. So there! Why don't you believe what the experts tell you?

I will light a candle for you on my Saint Dawkins shrine, and pray that he guides you to the truth. :p
 
Sapiens

Sapiens

Polymathematician
Thief said:
so you question everything...and trust no one....

just as scripture instructs...
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That's not how it works, I know that, you know that, and you must know that I know that you know that, so your post amounts to little more than trolling.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Sapiens said:
That's not how it works, I know that, you know that, and you must know that I know that you know that, so your post amounts to little more than trolling.
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I know what I know....
and you can't really tell me what I know

and my line of reasoning works quite well
thank you

perhaps you care to choose?
Spirit first?....or substance?
 
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