Scientific Method is useless in religion?

[Ben Dhyan]

Ah.
So your monkey knowledge isn't monkey knowledge until you reveal it...

It is not monkey knowledge if I am speaking from direct experience....it would be monkey knowledge if you repeated it without having realized it yourself...

 

[Thief]

You misunderstand...'monkey knowledge' refers to so called knowledge which is merely the regurgitation of something that came from some other source..read or heard...and believed to be true. Real understanding is not secondhand knowledge, but is realized directly. It seems all you ever talk about is something you have heard from another....at the expense of discovering what and who you really are by asking yourself the question..."What am I?"...and when you understand that..."Who am I?"...both in the context of the bigger picture of universal existence itself...

i would say....monkey knowledge....
is knowing to grip a tree limb and climb
show of teeth when threatened

in humans ....the smile of a baby

things read or heard and then believed.....is blind faith

 

[Ben Dhyan]

i would say....monkey knowledge....
is knowing to grip a tree limb and climb
show of teeth when threatened

in humans ....the smile of a baby

things read or heard and then believed.....is blind faith

To ape...

 

[Thief]

to ape.....or not to ape....
that is now the question

but I think it was answered in the garden event

 

[Thief]

and let's not overlook the perspective of the angelic of heaven

one third of heaven lost their brethren in an argument over something that looks like us

as we sit at the Table.....
we are little more than talking apes to them

 

[Shad]

You misunderstand...'monkey knowledge' refers to so called knowledge which is merely the regurgitation of something that came from some other source..read or heard...and believed to be true. Real understanding is not secondhand knowledge, but is realized directly. It seems all you ever talk about is something you have heard from another....at the expense of discovering what and who you really are by asking yourself the question..."What am I?"...and when you understand that..."Who am I?"...both in the context of the bigger picture of universal existence itself...

Which is merely monkey knowledge, from you, regarding a universal existence. You seem to think you telling someone about something is vastly different from your example, it isn't

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Which is merely monkey knowledge, from you, regarding a universal existence. You seem to think you telling someone about something is vastly different from your example, it isn't

Where....please quote the precise words in my post that you are referring to that you claim is 'monkey knowledge'?

 

[Shad]

Where....please quote the precise words in my post that you are referring to that you claim is 'monkey knowledge'?

You are talking about a viewpoint you hold which is only held and developed by your monkey brain thus you own claim to knowledge about "something deeper" is merely pretending your view is not the product of your monkey brain when in fact it is. You must accept your monkey brain to even communicate your view point as you have a model of reality that is not independent of your brain itself. Thus your claim to a universal existence is merely you providing monkey knowledge as you are that person typing a view that other people read. It is you claiming something that people may repeat and/or accept as true.

You are that other person but you do not realize it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You are talking about a viewpoint you hold which is only held and developed by your monkey brain thus you own claim to knowledge about "something deeper" is merely pretending your view is not the product of your monkey brain when in fact it is. You must accept your monkey brain to even communicate your view point as you have a model of reality that is not independent of your brain itself. Thus your claim to a universal existence is merely you providing monkey knowledge as you are that person typing a view that other people read. It is you claiming something that people may repeat and/or accept as true.

Your reading comprehension is abysmal....you have not pointed out the exact words in the my post you quoted that you claim represents monkey knowledge as you were requested, but rather gone off on a rambling rant. Now try again and please post the relevant words you are referring to this time?

 

[Shad]

Your reading comprehension is abysmal....you have not pointed out the exact words in the my post you quoted that you claim represents monkey knowledge as you were requested, but rather gone off on a rambling rant. Now try again and please post the relevant words you are referring to this time?

I pointed it with your claim "universal existence" I guess reading is too hard for you.... Try again son. Maybe read and think about my comment this time...

You are telling other people monkey knowledge as you are the person stating there is a universal existence that is true and people should accept this as true. You are the very person telling people to repeat and accept your view as true. Your knowledge is told second hand as the people you are talking to have no direct experience of your claim thus is monkey knowledge while being oblivious to this fact.

"It seems all you ever talk about is something you have heard from another....at the expense of discovering what and who you really are by asking yourself the question..."What am I?"...and when you understand that..."Who am I?"...both in the context of the bigger picture of universal existence itself..."

Monkey knowledge, nothing more. You are that other person..... you are that another. You are telling other people...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I pointed it with your claim "universal existence" I guess reading is too hard for you.... Try again son. Maybe read and think about my comment this time...

You are telling other people monkey knowledge as you are the person stating there is a universal existence that is true and people should accept this as true. You are the very person telling people to repeat and accept your view as true. Your knowledge is told second hand as the people you are talking to have no direct experience of your claim thus is monkey knowledge while being oblivious to this fact.

Gulp .....are you seriously claiming that universal existence does not exist?

 

[Shad]

Gulp.....are you seriously claiming that universal existence does not exist?

Guess you have issue reading still. I am pointing out your view of reality "universal existence" is a model. I disagree with your model. Try again son.

Here are two models of existence.

1. A model with God.
2. A model without God

Both can be claimed to be "universal existence" but the details are radically different. You have a model you are just oblivious to it as you treat your model as a fact. It isn't. It is merely another model with a number.

Existence is an assumption we all hold, or axiom if you prefer. There is no evidence supporting reality as we must treat reality as something which exists for there to be any evidence, even us to talk about evidence or that we are even typing to each other.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Guess you have issue reading still. I am pointing out your view of reality "universal existence" is a model. I disagree with your model. Try again son.

Here are two models of existence.

1. A model with God.
2. A model without God

Both can be claimed to be "universal existence" but the details are radically different. You have a model you are just oblivious to it as you treat your model as a fact. It isn't.

That is why I asked you for a precise quote...I never mentioned models...with or without God! The context was the question of finding out what and who one really is in the context of the greater reality of existence? No monkey knowledge involved there my friend...just an invitation to find out what and who you are..

 

[Shad]

That is why I asked you for a precise quote...I never mentioned models...with or without God!

It doesn't matter if you mention God or not. The point is you have a model about reality, nothing more.

The context was the question of finding out what and who one really is in the context of the greater reality of existence? No monkey knowledge involved there my friend...

Yes as you are telling people about a greater reality existence in which people can find out something. You are no different than a person teaching others hence you view is nothing more than monkey knowledge. You are oblivious to this fact.

"monkey knowledge' refers to so called knowledge which is merely the regurgitation of something that came from some other source..read or heard...and believed to be true."

You are that source. You are telling people you view is true and that they should accept your view as true. You are telling people through text, thus reading. You are the very source you reject which makes your view point a contradiction and incoherent. In the end you have refuted your own view as you told people not to listen to such sources of knowledge.... Hilarious.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It doesn't matter if you mention God or not. The point is your have a model about reality, nothing more.



Yes as you are telling people about a greater reality existence in which people can find out something. You are no different than a person teaching others hence you view is nothing more than monkey knowledge. You are oblivious to this fact.

"monkey knowledge' refers to so called knowledge which is merely the regurgitation of something that came from some other source..read or heard...and believed to be true."

You are that source. You are telling people you view is true and that they should accept your view as true.

Stop making things up....I have no model for reality....reality is on the other side of any human conceptualization.

I am not telling you anything...if you think otherwise...show me where I have described my view of reality?

 

[Shad]

Stop making things up....I have no model for reality....reality is on the other side of any human conceptualization.

As a human you do automatically. As I said you are oblivious to this or your ego causes you to treats your model as fact. All human perceptions are model based since this is how the human mind works.

I am not telling you anything...if you think otherwise...show me where I have described my view of reality?

Yes you are as you are telling people to accept rather than consider a universal existences which is your model. Again you are that other person you reject. Hilarious.

"Real understanding is not secondhand knowledge, but is realized directly. It seems all you ever talk about is something you have heard from another....at the expense of discovering what and who you really are by asking yourself the question..."What am I?"...and when you understand that..."Who am I?"...both in the context of the bigger picture of universal existence itself..."

That people as individuals can see a "bigger picture" which is a model. You are the person, you are that another

"something you have heard from another"

I am reading a view from another.

Incoherent rambling is hilarious when exposed for what it is.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

As a human you do automatically. As I said you are oblivious to this or your ego causes you to treats your model as fact. All human perceptions are model based since this is how the human mind works.



Yes you are as you are telling people to accept rather than consider a universal existences which is your model. Again you are that other person you reject. Hilarious.

"Real understanding is not secondhand knowledge, but is realized directly. It seems all you ever talk about is something you have heard from another....at the expense of discovering what and who you really are by asking yourself the question..."What am I?"...and when you understand that..."Who am I?"...both in the context of the bigger picture of universal existence itself..."

That people as individuals can see a "bigger picture" which is a model. You are the person, you are that another

"something you have heard from another"

I am reading a view from another.

Incoherent rambling is hilarious when exposed for what it is.

It's all in your mind...are you drinking? How can the mind have a model when it does not think?

 

[gnostic]

Engaging in the solitary religious exercise of stilling the mind is not an exhibition of teaching or preaching...it is a practice....no words are present... silly!

And, yet you have not exhibit that you have "still" your own mind...and so far, all you have been doing is nothing but "preach".

 

[Ben Dhyan]

And, yet you have not exhibit that you have "still" your own mind...and so far, all you have been doing is nothing but "preach".

...pray tell how you expect to know if my mind, or anyone's for that matter, ever, has been stilled?

 

[Kemosloby]

Correct, God doesn't want our opinion.