Scientific Method is useless in religion?

[Shad]

Haha....that's what they all say!

Of course the 'I' is not aware in such a state....at least you could work that out....well done sir!

Sophistry.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Sophistry.

Explain where?

 

[Shad]

Explain where?

Your argument is unsound as you have never demonstrated objectively that you method produces actual result rather than a placebo effect.

 

[McBell]

This is not the method and model being discussed. At no point was suicide discussed as we would be unaware of the supposed reality mode that is the result of methods. Awareness can not occur when one is dead.

My apologies.
It's just that you are alive, with an active brain, until you die, inactive brain.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Your argument is unsound as you have never demonstrated objectively that you method produces actual result rather than a placebo effect.

I am not arguing...there is nothing to argue....just because you have never stilled the mind is no argument that it is impossible...I am just telling you as it is...you can hand wave all you like but it does not change the facts....if you want proof, lol...suck it and see! ...

 

[Kemosloby]

But self-appointed internet prophets ready to tell people what God dies and doesn't need... he needs more of them?


Lovely song. Here's some Great Big Sea - the Mermaid:

'Cause her hair was green as seaweed
Her skin was blue and pale
Her face, it was a work of art
I loved that girl with all my heart
But I only liked the upper part
I did not like the tail

If people studied the bible instead of listening to songs about mermaids, they would know God does not need our opinions or concensus.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If people studied the bible instead of listening to songs about mermaids, they would know God does not need our opinions or concensus.

What reason do we have to think that the Bible gives any insight into the mind of God?

 

[Kemosloby]

What reason do we have to think that the Bible gives any insight into the mind of God?

When you have thoughts you write them in words so that others have insight into your mind. Likewise God has given us the Word of God, so that we may have insight into Gods thoughts. The Word of God says "Does the pot say to the pot maker, What have you done?" No of course not. So we can see by the Word of God, that God does not want or need our opinions or concensus.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

When you have thoughts you write them in words so that others have insight into your mind. Likewise God has given us the Word of God, so that we may have insight into Gods thoughts.

I should have been clearer: what reason is there to believe that God wrote the Bible?

From my perspective, it isn't even established that God exists at all, so making assumptions about what books he did and didn't write seems like putting the cart before the horse.

 

[Kemosloby]

I should have been clearer: what reason is there to believe that God wrote the Bible?

From my perspective, it isn't even established that God exists at all, so making assumptions about what books he did and didn't write seems like putting the cart before the horse.

What man would write this? Psalm 10:4 In his pride the wicked man does not seek him; in all his thoughts there is no room for God.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What man would write this? Psalm 10:4 In his pride the wicked man does not seek him; in all his thoughts there is no room for God.

A man trying to get others to believe in the same god he does, maybe?

 

[Kemosloby]

A man trying to get others to believe in the same god he does, maybe?

Probably not, the Israelites all pretty much claimed the same God, the God of Moses, if they had any care for God at all. But the wealth of a rich man is his high tower and strong fortress, he doesn't think he needs God.

I think that's probably true, and God is truth, if it's not true it's not from God.

 

[Thief]

No...your responses show clearly that you do not understand what was said to you...it is not as though I have never explained this before...and though there were some who were a little slow on the uptake...most grokked it eventually.. But no problems....your mind will still find its peace sometimes in dreamless sleep when you are not there to disturb the stillness...

'you' are always there.....dreaming or not

and you will awaken everyday in the same body....until you don't

 

[Shad]

My apologies.
It's just that you are alive, with an active brain, until you die, inactive brain.

I understood your point fine.

 

[Shad]

I am not arguing...there is nothing to argue....just because you have never stilled the mind is no argument that it is impossible...I am just telling you as it is...you can hand wave all you like but it does not change the facts....if you want proof, lol...suck it and see! ...

I did not mean argument as in fighting or conflict but reasons to accept your claim has merit. Merely telling someone to try it is nothing special. Any snake oil salesman can do this. Now if I try it and the results are not what you claimed you will just blame me for nothing having enough "faith" or I did it "wrong". However since you methods are only two questions to ask then it is your method which is flawed. I question if you simplistic methods merely produce a placebo effect which you convince yourself is something profound.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

'you' are always there.....dreaming or not

and you will awaken everyday in the same body....until you don't

There is quite a distinction between the reality represented by the concept of your personal ego (you) and the concept represent by your divine soul. The ego 'I' is present to some extent in dreams, but not in dreamless sleep..

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I did not mean argument as in fighting or conflict but reasons to accept your claim has merit. Merely telling someone to try it is nothing special. Any snake oil salesman can do this. Now if I try it and the results are not what you claimed you will just blame me for nothing having enough "faith" or I did it "wrong". However since you methods are only two questions to ask then it is your method which is flawed. I question if you simplistic methods merely produce a placebo effect which you convince yourself is something profound.

I do not like to be curt, but I do understand that due to the limited development of your mind at this stage, the only activity your mind is capable of is of a conceptual nature...but my point is about non-conceptual reality, and it bores me somewhat to have to try and explain the subtle nature of it to those ignorant of the greater reality on the other side of concepts when all they can do is babble on and on ceaselessly as though it is addressing the subject intelligently..

 

[Thief]

There is quite a distinction between the reality represented by the concept of your personal ego (you) and the concept represent by your divine soul. The ego 'I' is present to some extent in dreams, but not in dreamless sleep..

i have insomnia.....so....
I have spent only God knows how many hours.....
watching documentary about sleep and also the various states of mind.

'you' are always present

 

[Ben Dhyan]

i have insomnia.....so....
I have spent only God knows how many hours.....
watching documentary about sleep and also the various states of mind.

'you' are always present

You have to be kidding....like they say....if you ain't seen it on TV, it ain't true..

 

[Thief]

You have to be kidding....like they say....if you ain't seen it on TV, it ain't true..

i don't think they were lying

the part of you reading this is actually the lesser part
but the smaller portion is interactive

as you will demonstrate in your next response