Scientists actually do know everything about the universe.

[godnotgod]

You know full well that my simple experiment neatly debunks your....

I know nothing of the sort, but YOU do, don'cha McMuddle?

 

[godnotgod]

I've already learned not to bother.....

No, it's because you are making things up and have no answer, but being the allowing person that I am, I will give you one more chance to make good:

Show me just one example of stuff that I don't get because it is 'over my head', as you claimed.

 

[godnotgod]

And so, that aside, to continue with the topic, no, scientists don't know Jack S**t about what the universe actually IS. If they did, they'd probably go running wildly through the streets, screaming at the top of their lungs.

 

[idav]

The Quantum Field, as part of the greater Unified Field, IS Consciousness itself, appearing AS The Universe. There are not two realities, but only one. You do not have The Universe over here and Consciousness over there.

Stating opinion as fact doesn't make it true. Have anything from the renowned physicists to back up any of those notions. Which experiments suggest such things.

Chopra, OTOH, IS a mystic, and is a realized individual, and so has had the spiritual experience of oneness with the Universe.

Spiritual experience is hardly physical evidence. You know how many billions of people have spiritual experiences?

 

[godnotgod]

Stating opinion as fact doesn't make it true. Have anything from the renowned physicists to back up any of those notions. Which experiments suggest such things.

There is no way to scientifically test the Universe for consciousness, since consciousness is outside of time, space, and causation. The only way to know that the Unified Field is consciousness is to experience directly the merging of the observer with the observed.

“All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together.
We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”
― Max Planck

“Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery that we are trying to solve.”
― Max Planck, Where is Science Going?

Spiritual experience is hardly physical evidence. You know how many billions of people have spiritual experiences?

The spiritual experience demonstrates beyond a doubt that what the conditioned mind thinks is 'physical' and 'material' is neither. From the scientific point of view, Quantum Physics at least points this out. The spiritual experience is not looking for evidence; it is looking for union. Every single person on the planet is now having a spiritual experience, but because of mental conditioning, are unaware of it. Conditioning tells them that they are separate from the universe, that it is a material phenomena, and that they are having a material experience in a material world.

Don't you think it just a bit odd that you are even here, now?

 

[idav]

There is no way to scientifically test the Universe for consciousness, since consciousness is outside of time, space, and causation. The only way to know that the Unified Field is consciousness is to experience directly the merging of the observer with the observed.

OK so your just stating opinions as fact without any backup.

The spiritual experience demonstrates beyond a doubt that what the conditioned mind thinks is 'physical' and 'material' is neither.

No it doesn't.

From the scientific point of view, Quantum Physics at least points this out.

Everything is physical, its all physics. Material, non-material, ether whatever, its physical and observable one way or another.

The spiritual experience is not looking for evidence; it is looking for union. Every single person on the planet is now having a spiritual experience, but because of mental conditioning, are unaware of it. Conditioning tells them that they are separate from the universe, that it is a material phenomena, and that they are having a material experience in a material world.

I don't think so. The "material" phenomenon that science shows is oneness. We are conditioned with the ability to observe with more than just our body sensors. The knowledge from the insight of science tells us that we should be falling through the floor, so nobody with an elementary education in science views the world with the ignorance you say everyone is conditioned with. It doesn't take a great sage tapping into the secrets of the universe, its all just simple experiment and observation.

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Don't you think it just a bit odd that you are even here, now?

No not really.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I see. So it's OK when you respond with your usual knee-jerk diatribe, but when I come roaring back at you, you can't take the heat.

Still no response on the brick-dropping experiment. It thoroughly debunks your mystical flap-doodle, and you know it, that is why you can only respond with spitefulness and sarcasm.

The Wiki article thoroughly debunked your mystical flap-doodle too. We have seen no valid response to that debunking either, just some lame anti-science rhetoric.

You have nothing.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Answer the question: what is the cause of the cause of the Big Bang? (Perhaps it was the dropping of brick on foot?)

I have already answered that question, as you well know. You are just trying to distract from having your mystical flap-doodle completely debunked and demolished.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The spiritual experience demonstrates beyond a doubt that what the conditioned mind thinks is 'physical' and 'material' is neither.

No, it doesn't. Start a blog if you want to preach this flap-doodle nonsense. Stop hijacking other peoples' threads and filling them with your Chopra-inspired babble.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You know how many billions of people have spiritual experiences?

"Spiritual" experiences are inherently subjective, and you can read anything you like into them. There are powerful psychological mechanisms involved, including confirmation bias and wishful thinking.

Claiming that a "mystical" experience provides an objective insight into the nature of the cosmos is nonsense though, and dressing the claim up in some pseudo-science doesn't make it any more convincing.

 

[godnotgod]

Still no response on the brick-dropping experiment. It thoroughly debunks your mystical flap-doodle, and you know it, that is why you can only respond with spitefulness and sarcasm.

The Wiki article thoroughly debunked your mystical flap-doodle too. We have seen no valid response to that debunking either, just some lame anti-science rhetoric.

You have nothing.

I've been telling you all along: Everything comes out of Nothing. But you don't get this because you are surgically attached to your Materialist Paradigm Religion.

 

[godnotgod]

I have already answered that question, as you well know. You are just trying to distract from having your mystical flap-doodle completely debunked and demolished.

You like to think so, but I still got it, alive and kickin' and it's gonna get'cha, hootchie kootchie koo. Nah, it already gotcha, but you don't know that yet, LOL. Shhhhhh.....listen....it's growing in your brain waaaaaay back there.

 

[godnotgod]

No, it doesn't.

Well, the Buddha himself said so. He said that all phenomena are empty of inherent self-nature. There is no 'material' nature to the so-called 'material' world. The way the Hindus say it is that this world is maya. Same thing. You see? Once you get out of trying to pin things down as you do with word definitions, Hinduism and Buddhism can be surprisingly similar. But I post this info not so much for your benefit, since your intuitive insight is not yet sufficiently developed, but for others who can see this and go on from there. It may take someone like you years to finally get a glimpse, since you have the way blocked with your preconceived notions of material reality.

 

[godnotgod]

You already posted this stupid video as an example, you think, of spiritual stupidity. It just shows how ignorant you really are of spiritual matters. I cannot fathom why you practice Buddhism at all, unless to use it to support your silly views, such as brick-dropping experiments.

 

[godnotgod]

"Spiritual" experiences are inherently subjective, and you can read anything you like into them. There are powerful psychological mechanisms involved, including confirmation bias and wishful thinking.

Claiming that a "mystical" experience provides an objective insight into the nature of the cosmos is nonsense though, and dressing the claim up in some pseudo-science doesn't make it any more convincing.

I never said that it provides objective insight. You are still thinking in dual terms of observer and observed, and are not paying attention to the teacher, Deepak Chopra, when he tried to tell you that: 'the spiritual experience is the merging of the observer, the observed, and the entire process of observation into a single Reality'. Now, if you truly understand what this means, there can no longer be an objective observer of the observed. There is no longer an experiencer of the experience. This is none other than Nirvana, the extinguishing of the seeker, of the observer, of all desire. Since there is only one Universe, and subsequently, only one Reality, there is only one view, and that view is unconditioned, unborn, and uncaused. It is not a self-view, but a Universal View, wherein everyone sees the same Reality, unlike self-view, where everyone sees a different reality. Get it? Got it? Good!

 

[godnotgod]

OK so your just stating opinions as fact without any backup.

No. These are beyond opinion. They represent experience, backed up and confirmed by many others. Did'nt you notice? Those who have come to realization are all saying the same thing.

No it doesn't.

Sorry, but it actually does, because it reveals the true nature of material reality. Buddhists call that nature 'emptiness', and Hindus call it maya, or illusion. I know you disagree, but Quantum Physics now reveals materiality as illusory, since all of the mass of the atom is virtual in nature, as it is 'created' via of the Quantum and Higgs Fields. These particles are completely dependent upon these fields from which they come.

Everything is physical, its all physics. Material, non-material, ether whatever, its physical and observable one way or another.

None of it has any material substance to it that can be pinned down. It's empty.

I don't think so. The "material" phenomenon that science shows is oneness. We are conditioned with the ability to observe with more than just our body sensors. The knowledge from the insight of science tells us that we should be falling through the floor, so nobody with an elementary education in science views the world with the ignorance you say everyone is conditioned with. It doesn't take a great sage tapping into the secrets of the universe, its all just simple experiment and observation.

Science never talks about 'oneness'. That's a no-no and woo-woo for a scientist. Just the fact that they envision multi-verses is non-oneness. What I see is that, no matter how much factual knowledge students and scientists have about physics and even Quantum Physics, they still see the world through a materialist paradigm, which they have been conditioned with for centuries. Only a few, like Gotswami, Hagelin, Kafatos, and others finally have seen through the facade and come to realization. IOW, material reality is an illusion, plain and simple. Simple experiment and observation do not do it, because they are still grounded in perceptual reality. Those who see into the true nature of things have come to the point that they realize they must go beyond perceptual reality, which includes extensions of it in the form of instrumentation. This insight is a result of an inner transformation of consciousness. This must occur first before insight can take place. It is not woo woo or mumbo jumbo or flapdoodlery. It is the anihilation of the conditioned mind and the awakening of the unconditioned consciousness. It is the most real experience one can have, and no, it is not a matter of opinion or belief or an illusion. It is the dissolution of all illusion.

No not really.

I didn't expect you to say 'yes', simply because you are more conditioned than many others. Your conditioning is the cause of your saying 'no'.

 

[godnotgod]

More asinine stupidity in the same vein as brick-dropping experiements that are offerred up as having validity. More crap posted as 'evidence'.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

 

[Rick O'Shez]

 

[godnotgod]

Still no response on the brick-dropping experiment

I know you must be joking, as your suggestion to drop a brick on my foot to prove it is real is completely ridiculous, but you don't know why, do you? As I said earlier, you are the type who punches people in the face to show them that this material world is real.