Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Brian Greene is interesting, I've read a couple of his books.
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Scientists actually do know everything about the universe.
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Then where is the evidence, it should be self evident. Thing is I can give you the experiments that say such things but your conditioned mind will not let you see with your mystical interpretations clouding reality.
They don't have to talk about it, they just prove it and the rest of us have to consider the ramifications. Everything is made of atoms, frequencies really and space-time unites everything in the universe. We are passed science fiction and we don't have to resort to superstitious
mysticism anymore.
Why should my situation in space-time seem odd? So if I don't feel goo-goo feelings about it I'm conditioned in ignorance somehow?
godnotgod
Thou art That
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
godnotgod
Thou art That
Ah, such a boring undertaking to have to explain every little bit to types like yourself......Ugh...I knew it when I posted this, but hoped you would connect a couple of dots. Nothing doing.
The consistency of the mystical experience has been validated independently throughout the world in different places and in different times throughout history. Why? Because the mystical experience is transcendent of Time and Space. Consciousness does not exist in either. However, mind exists (must exist) in both so therefore there is science and evidence and proof. That is fine, but it does not tell us what the nature of the so-called 'material' world actually is, even when Quantum Physics enters the picture with proof of wave function collapse. The mystic sees through the facade of 'materiality' and gets to the heart of the matter, understanding in an instant the true nature of things, and seeing that all of the myrad forms of the universe emerge from a single source (ie; the Unified Field), but that these varied forms have no inherent self-nature in and of themselves simply because they are interdependent upon all other forms co-arising simultaneously. There is no such things as 'rock' nature, for example, as 'rock' is not an actual thing. Even moreso, a 'whirlpool' is not a thing in that it is, in reality, only flowing water, an action rather than a noun.
Well, you are just plain wrong on two counts, firstly because you misunderstand what the mystical view entails, which is the merging of observer and the observed, in short what is termed as 'union'. It has nothing to do with superstition, which is the basis for much of religious belief. Secondly, the method of science is basically dissection and reduction, which does not lead to an idea of 'one-ness', but to fragmentation. The mystical view, OTOH, always leads to oneness, because it aprehends Reality holistically, here, now, directly, with no idea or hypothesis in mind to stand between it and the participant, as science does. This is the only way a complete merging with Reality can occur. Science always...always...maintains a distinction between what it only conceives of as 'observer' and 'observed' as a clinical notion of 'objective reality'. Unfortunately, as Max Planck has pointed out, the observer is ultimately part and parcel of that which is being observed.
Who, or what, is it that is here in space-time?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
This guy is quite accessible:
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Egads, we must have seen this vid a million times posted by low-level types like yourself intent on making a fool of Chopra. But the contrary is true, as Chopra seized the moment and let the physicist know who he really is from a higher perspective. As it turned out, these two got together and became good friends even writing a book together, 'War of the World Views' I believe it is called. But Chopra is so magnificent and gracious to his critics that he has either invited them to his home for dinner and conversation (eg, Michael Shermer) or invited them to conferences, debates, and forums (eg; Brian Cox and others), in an effort to cut the ice.
godnotgod
Thou art That
mmmmm.....I don't think so.
Again, you post crap that reinforces your preconceived notions of who or what Chopra is as a means of trying to make your position look credible. In short, 'straw dog'. Check.
Sort of what Hitler did to the Jews by calling them 'untermenschen'. Once you dehumanize or demonize or otherwise ridicule, it makes it possible to justify the victim's destruction. This is known as foisting one's Shadow onto another to create a scapegoat of them, while making one's Persona look good. I suspect it has to do with some sort of insecurity issue with the perpetrator. Others wear elevated shoes to make themselves look taller than they really are. And on and on the ego goes with its many trix and machinations in a futile attempt to perpetuate itself and its gratification from others. Ho hum....Next!
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
The Hubble telescope images are great, I have one hanging on my wall.
http://hubblesite.org/gallery/wallpaper/
http://hubblesite.org/gallery/wallpaper/
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Pfffft. What would NASA know about anything, Rick. C'mon, we have the Messenger of Absolute Reality, the Mouthpiece of Cosmic Consciousness here to guide us. Why on Earth would we care what mere scientists have to say?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
This is cool, it's the live stream from the International Space Station. If you get a black screen it means ISS is on the dark side, but do return to it later.
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Yeah, all those cosmologists and physicists have got it completely wrong, they don't realise the big bang was really an "event in consciousness", they don't realise that space-time and causation are merely concepts, they have completely misunderstood quantum mechanics too by the sound of it.
I think I might become a new-ager, you can just make stuff up.
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I call BS.
What are you distinguishing is the difference between mind and consciousness? You saying mind is in neither yet is in both space and time. I don't see a difference.
Who cares, religion and mysticism can't tell us what the nature of reality is, certainly science is the best tool we have to find out such a thing. Just spouting things like its spiritual or non-material doesn't say anything.
There you go with the mystical collapse interpretation again. Oh dear.
Again, anyone with an elementary understanding can see the nature of reality beyond our limited perception. We can use simple observation, we observe reality to find what it is.
We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”
― Max Planck
Why do you think Planck talks like that, He is talking of the singularity that is unified throughout space-time. He says things like that because its the ramifications of what we observe and predict in relation to the cosmos and space-time through special relativity, quantum mechanic and string theory. So to reference someone like Planck, and saying at the same time, science can't possibly know is very misleading.
Here is what Schrodinger says.
"Quantum physics thus reveals a basic oneness of the universe." Erwin Schrodinger
Matter trapped in space-time, regardless if time is eternal, we are trapped at a certain reference point.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
That is an accurate assessment, but I'm afraid it won't stop this character repeatedly hijacking threads to preach his flap-doodle mysticism.
For some reason I was skeptical of this quote but it is all over the internet. Took me a while to find but I think I found the source is actually Capa, the author of Tao of Physics.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Schrodinger seems to have had a number of Eastern religious beliefs.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Erwin_Schrödinger
I hope that cat is OK though.
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
If I was feeling especially generous, I might simply call it BS, but I think that calling it that raises its inherent credibility far too high.
No doubt the Evangelist of Emptiness would likely disagree.
I am all for any evidence that suggests that mystical experience transcend space and time. It is a bold statement but an empty claim if it has nothing to back it up, but it sounds like you all are aware.