Scientists finally prove there IS life after death

[JoStories]

Those who observed the NDE, the stories are nearly the same, if delusion then everyone should
have something different, not swimming. not loving, not running, not eating ...etc

But you also said that those who do not follow your idea of this concept of NDE are 'bad themselves'. So I see that as meaning that unless they follow the major religions, its all bunk. and that right there is why there is no one who truly questions this concept will believe you.

 

[JoStories]

I associate "thinking outside the box" with "not swallowing everything we read". So, I have no problems with thinking outside the box. Einstein was the perfect example of someone thinking outside the box. In a major way.

However, there are limits. Science has rules, and those rules exclude, in the most categorical terms, the presence of non naturalistic explanations. This rule is so important that it is the equivalent of a rule in the game of chess.

Does that rule suffice to find all truths that are in our range of inquiry? This is debatable. I think they do, because I go beyond methodological naturalism. I am a metaphysical naturalist. But that's me.

But for sure, nobody can accuse scientists for not accepting a spiritual or supernatural reality in their work. It would be like accusing a chess player for not using the rules of poker, Monopoly, or any other game, while she is playing chess.

Ciao

- viole

Yet the rules of science are constantly being questioned. If that were not the case, what would you make of Hawkins and his theories? None of them can be proven and many see them as pie in the sky thinking yet he is hailed as one of the world's most brilliant men, and rightfully so I might add. Dark energy cannot be proven, nor black holes, etc. Do you see where this leads? I can't imagine anyone at CERN rejecting ideas, other than those that are truly ridiculous, simply because they are out there.

 

[JoStories]

I don't believe those who speaks about religion in regards to such experiences because it has nothing to
do with religion, so again it's either these Hindus were lairs or affected by the devil force.

If some said i met Jesus or Muhammed or God or the monkey God....etc then they're not telling the truth,
the NDE isn't a religious phenomenon.

How can you know that? You have nothing more than anecdotal tales and you reject those that don't fit your agenda. That, for me, places your ideas in the wishes department, as in what YOU wish. You have no way of knowing if Tibetan monks experience these things and so you chalk it up to a 'devil force'. How droll.

 

[FearGod]

Because, once again, this is an anecdotal story of one man and does not meet scientific methods. In no way do I mean to disrespect your beliefs but merely to point out that they don't qualify as scientific.

When making a scientific study and the machines confirmed the brain wasn't active while the
person giving correct information at the time that the machines confirms the brain wasn't active,
how that isn't a scientific study, many researchers are taking the NDE seriously.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

When making a scientific study and the machines confirmed the brain wasn't active while the
person giving correct information at the time that the machines confirms the brain wasn't active,
how that isn't a scientific study, many researchers are talking the NDE seriously.

We still have no idea what NDEs actually represent. It seems that some people clutch at them as "evidence" of an afterlife, but that is far from clear.
As on many other questions we simply don't know, and it is possible we never will. Can you cope with the uncertainty, or do you need the comfort of beliefs?

 

[FearGod]

How can you know that? You have nothing more than anecdotal tales and you reject those that don't fit your agenda. That, for me, places your ideas in the wishes department, as in what YOU wish. You have no way of knowing if Tibetan monks experience these things and so you chalk it up to a 'devil force'. How droll.

The experience has nothing to do with religion, the soul just leaves the body and nothing else.
If you believe that the Tibetan monks met God then I don't have problem with it, you can
believe what you wish the same as I.

 

[FearGod]

We still have no idea what NDEs actually represent. It seems that some people clutch at them as "evidence" of an afterlife, but that is far from clear.
As on many other questions we simply don't know, and it is possible we never will. Can you cope with the uncertainty, or do you need the comfort of beliefs?

Did you expect before that you'll be on earth?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Did you expect before that you'll be on earth?

Before what?

 

[FearGod]

Before what?

Before you're here on earth.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Before you're here on earth.

I have no memory of a previous life. Do you?

 

[FearGod]

I have no memory of a previous life. Do you?

You weren't existing, and here you're.

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

No, i know it isn't by the brain, maybe you have to try it to know how it feels.

Mine certainly was not a brain function, at the time of it i had been certified "Brain Dead"
(compound Basal fracture and intrusion) + (Frontal lobe penetrated to Hypothalamus by steering column)
(Right Zygoma and Eye socket exploded out) No discernible brain function, activity or response.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That will be useless, you don't believe it and that's it.

How can I believe or disbelieve something you refuse to tell me?

 

[FearGod]

How can I believe or disbelieve something you refuse to tell me?

Be serious with your own self, you have already a decision as not to believe that mine could be correct, who knows.
why i have to waste effort and time for pointless discussion.

Here's what you said, how can i prove it to you, should I swear

So you claim. Of course, there's no way to verify any of it. Maybe his was a real NDE experience and yours was just your brain misfiring. Who knows.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Be serious with your own self, you have already a decision as not to believe that mine could be correct, who knows.
why i have to waste effort and time for pointless discussion.

Here's what you said, how can i prove it to you, should I swear

I was trying to make a point to you after you said that other peoples' experiences aren't as valid as yours, or not in the same way. You tried to back that up by saying that there are similarities across peoples' experiences with NDEs that makes them more believable and credible. And now you won't tell me what those are.



I guess it is a pointless discussion if you're just going to claim whatever you want as fact.

 

[FearGod]

I guess it is a pointless discussion if you're just going to claim whatever you want as fact.

Exactly, that's why it's pointless.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You weren't existing, and here you're.

OK. So...?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Exactly, that's why it's pointless.

I don't understand why you started the thread then. If you don't want to talk about it, and you just want to declare that whatever claims you make are factual?

Do you just like making empty claims without explanation?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Exactly, that's why it's pointless.

So what ARE the similarities with NDEs? From what I've read the content usually reflects the religious beliefs of the person having the experience.

 

[FearGod]

OK. So...?

So when you say i won't re-exist once again makes no sense, you came to this life
without knowing and similarly you have no knowledge for what will be next.