Scientists finally prove there IS life after death

[Rick O'Shez]

So when you say i won't re-exist once again makes no sense, you came to this life
without knowing and similarly you have no knowledge for what will be next.

We know there is birth and death, and the bit in between, beyond that it's all speculation.

 

[FearGod]

Why start a thread about it then, if you don't want to talk about it, and you just want to declare that whatever claims you make are factual?

Do you just like making empty claims without explanation?

I'm discussing the whole thing, not just me.
Do you think Dr. Eben Alexander was lying, he himself didn't believe the NDE and he
said it has no scientific meaning, but he changed his mind when he observed it himself,
he has no agenda, he tells what he saw.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I'm discussing the whole thing, not just me.
Do you think Dr. Eben Alexander was lying, he himself didn't believe the NDE and he
said it has no scientific meaning, but he changed his mind when he observed it himself,
he has no agenda, he tells what he saw.

I'm discussing the whole thing too. Hence my questions.

 

[FearGod]

We know there is birth and death, and the bit in between, beyond that it's all speculation.

But did you know before you came to earth that you'll be among the ones who will experience
the material world and instead of being grateful you're a rebellious.

How do you feel when you do good for someone and he doesn't care about you, there are some homeless
cats around my house, all of them run away from me except one cat that comes close to me, i gave her food
and when i came back home, she plays with me and jumps to my feet, even though that i sometimes steps
on her tail when she runs towards me without noticing her, but she never hates me.

I saw many cats dying before and i never cried for a cat except this cat, when she died i cried.
God hates who hates their parents, because as they cares about you and raised you
then you should love them, so how to hate the one who actually let you into this earth,
will you run from him?

That's my view and I'll never run away from God

 

[FearGod]

So what ARE the similarities with NDEs? From what I've read the content usually reflects the religious beliefs of the person having the experience.

I believe what I saw, maybe mine was shorter, lasts for seconds.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I believe what I saw, maybe mine was shorter, lasts for seconds.

So what did yours consist of?

 

[FearGod]

So what did yours consist of?

I moved in a strait line in high speed upward, i have no control over it and it was darkness but i was
aware that I'm leaving upward, when i opened my eyes, i felt that what happened to me was real
and i didn't know at that time that some other people felt the same thing, but mine was short and
i was really aware of it, you won't believe me or you may think of it as hallucinations, but for me
it was real.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I wonder how many of these things can be explained by "k-holes " ....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-hole

 

[JoStories]

When making a scientific study and the machines confirmed the brain wasn't active while the
person giving correct information at the time that the machines confirms the brain wasn't active,
how that isn't a scientific study, many researchers are taking the NDE seriously.

That would not qualify as its still anecdotal and subject to the person's interpretation and understanding of whatever they think they may have seen. Its not replicable. One cannot induce a person to a NDE ethically. Therefore, while it may be an interesting outlook, it continues to defy the constraints of a scientific study. To be one, it must be able to be replicated, and measurable by measures that cannot be subjective, or IOW, objective measures.

 

[JoStories]

The experience has nothing to do with religion, the soul just leaves the body and nothing else.
If you believe that the Tibetan monks met God then I don't have problem with it, you can
believe what you wish the same as I.

I didn't say they met God. However, they may see something vastly different than what you conceive of being a soul leaving the body. And whether you like it or not, almost all of these stories are couched in religious or spiritual terms.

 

[JoStories]

So what ARE the similarities with NDEs? From what I've read the content usually reflects the religious beliefs of the person having the experience.

Precisely Rick. A lot of these stories reflect the person's views, as in I saw Jesus or God or whatever one wishes to see or think they saw. There was a scientist who spent her career studying this stuff...Kubler Ross? I think that was her name and her views were entirely anecdotal. http://www.near-death.com/science/experts/elisabeth-kubler-ross.html. A nice overview of her life and her life's work.

 

[JoStories]

But did you know before you came to earth that you'll be among the ones who will experience
the material world and instead of being grateful you're a rebellious.

How do you feel when you do good for someone and he doesn't care about you, there are some homeless
cats around my house, all of them run away from me except one cat that comes close to me, i gave her food
and when i came back home, she plays with me and jumps to my feet, even though that i sometimes steps
on her tail when she runs towards me without noticing her, but she never hates me.

I saw many cats dying before and i never cried for a cat except this cat, when she died i cried.
God hates who hates their parents, because as they cares about you and raised you
then you should love them, so how to hate the one who actually let you into this earth,
will you run from him?

That's my view and I'll never run away from God

First of all, there are many parents and I use the word loosely, that are not fit. And should they be loved for abusing their children? I think not. If God were so caring, why would God allow such abuse to begin with? I have a feral cat shelter and I care for any and all that either come here or are dumped and trust me, lots of people dump their cats here because I have a barn and live in the woods. What does that have to do with God and this topic? Nothing is what. We are talking, or so I thought, about NDEs and whether they are real. There is no proof of them outside of anecdotal stories.

 

[FearGod]

First of all, there are many parents and I use the word loosely, that are not fit. And should they be loved for abusing their children? I think not. If God were so caring, why would God allow such abuse to begin with? I have a feral cat shelter and I care for any and all that either come here or are dumped and trust me, lots of people dump their cats here because I have a barn and live in the woods. What does that have to do with God and this topic? Nothing is what. We are talking, or so I thought, about NDEs and whether they are real. There is no proof of them outside of anecdotal stories.

Children abuse and other awful things are happening because people are getting far away from God and more closer to evil.

In the Arabian peninsula during the era of Jahiliyyah people were away from God and they were in daily wars
and baby females were buried alive, adultery, slavery ...etc, that have been changed when people started to believe
in God and the Arabian peninsula turned from the dark ages to the Golden age of the Islamic empire that
were able to reach Spain, that by itself is a miracle.

We always blame God for our bad deeds.

 

[Ingledsva]

A team of British researchers have “confirmed” that consciousness can go on when someone dies but the study also uncovered some disturbing aspects of the so-called afterlife.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/weird-news/scientists-finally-prove-life-after-7989503

Do you believe in the afterlife or still in doubt?

Carefully reread that article. It is not about truly dead people.

This quote say it all -

"Head researcher Dr Sam Parnia told the Daily Express: “Contrary to perception, death is not a specific moment but a potentially reversible process that occurs after any severe illness or accident causes the heart, lungs and brain to cease functioning.

“If attempts are made to reverse this process, it is referred to as ‘cardiac arrest’; however, if these attempts do not succeed it is called ‘death’.”

Note the second quote - in relation to the first quote. NO actual death.

"Of the 2,060 patients involved in the research who had survived cardiac arrest, almost 40% said that they recall some form of awareness after being pronounced clinically dead.

All they have confirmed is that people are still conscious for a short time, and thus remember what goes on around them, after their organs shut down, before being revived.

These were all people being worked on, machines and people kept working, and they survived.

All they have told us is that people are conscious longer then they thought, after such events. Apparently for up to almost 20 minutes being clinically dead, before being brought back to life, according to the Germans. I would have to look at that German study, as the one we are discussing has only up to a few minutes.

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[Ingledsva]

I'm discussing the whole thing, not just me.
Do you think Dr. Eben Alexander was lying, he himself didn't believe the NDE and he
said it has no scientific meaning, but he changed his mind when he observed it himself,
he has no agenda, he tells what he saw.

You seem to forget that an NDE - is a NEAR Death Experience.

These people are being worked on, - and survive, - rather then die.

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[Guy Threepwood]

Still unsubstantiated religious beliefs, metaphysical straws to be clutched at.

We all believe in something. I acknowledge my beliefs, faith as such, that they can't be proven. How about you?

Atheist metaphysical straws such as static, eternal universes, steady state, big crunch.. were not only unsubstantiated, but thoroughly debunked.

Blind faith is faith which does not recognize itself.

 

[ArtieE]

Atheist metaphysical straws such as static, eternal universes, steady state, big crunch.. were not only unsubstantiated, but thoroughly debunked.

Since a Big Bang universe doesn't require a god to have made it either what are you left with? Nothing...

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Since a Big Bang universe doesn't require a god to have made it either what are you left with? Nothing...

We have no idea at all about "before" the big bang. Theists fill in the unknown with Sunday School stories like "God did it."

 

[FearGod]

We have no idea at all about "before" the big bang. Theists fill in the unknown with Sunday School stories like "God did it."

Do you think then that we speak about a natural thing?

Something should be always existing and has no beginning and has no end, this universe is caused by him,
do you think this thing is the product of our nature?

Is it really hard to realize that such thing is incomparable to our nature and to our knowledge?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Is it really hard to realize that such thing is incomparable to our nature and to our knowledge?

That applies to the universe actually, we know so little about it.