Seeing That Women Can Go Topless Now Do You Suppose A Lot More Rapes Will Happen?

[Alceste]

I wasn't talking to you and I don't care what you have to say.

You're talking to me now. You can't help yourself. So are women who get raped stupid and poor, and is it their own fault for talking to strangers or walking alone at night? Inquiring minds want to know if you really believe that crap or if you're just trolling.

 

[ignition]

Which posts did you quote? I haven't seen them, so I'm not trying to airbrush anything. I'm just going by what you said in a post. You seem to think the interpretation Debater Slayer was inaccurate, but it seemed perfectly accurate to me. All I want to find out is what you feel would be an accurate interpretation of your comments.

I don't know what you're talking about. If you've said anything to me before, I'm not aware of it.

 

[ignition]

You're talking to me now. You can't help yourself. So are women who get raped stupid and poor, and is it their own fault for talking to strangers or walking alone at night? Inquiring minds want to know if you really believe that crap or if you're just trolling.

Don't you have anything better to do, like discuss this with your realistically thousand rape-victim friends? I'm sure your "inquiring mind" would be satisfied better talking to them than to me. Beat it.

 

[Draka]

Why are you so reluctant to just admit that the posts I quoted were sexist? Just admit it. As soon as you acknowledge it we can move on and I can give further details about what I said. But I cannot take you seriously if you insist on airbrushing blatantly sexist remarks, or worse, defending them like some others have done here.

The thing is, not one person here has said one way or the other whether her comments were sexist or not. Perhaps it would be a subject worth discussing in a thread of its very own. Whatever. Thing is, as has been pointed out to you numerous times, you have made many sexist remarks. For you to then come out and call someone else out for making some sexist remark, well...it's like walking around town buck naked and then pointing and screaming at someone else about how they took their jacket off.

 

[ignition]

The thing is, not one person here has said one way or the other whether her comments were sexist or not. Perhaps it would be a subject worth discussing in a thread of its very own. Whatever. Thing is, as has been pointed out to you numerous times, you have made many sexist remarks. For you to then come out and call someone else out for making some sexist remark, well...it's like walking around town buck naked and then pointing and screaming at someone else about how they took their jacket off.

You know, all of those words in deflecting and defending the sexist views and not a single "they are sexist". Carry on....

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

Me Myself,

Im not trying to belittle any oppression.But why are you talking about women drugging their dates,and women slapping and punching her BF in a park and not as many intervene as they will if its the other way around in this particular thread?

It went from rape culture ,rape fantasy myth to sexism against men and men's oppression.

I'm sorry for going off like I did.But when people are talking about the women they know who have been sexually assaulted and or in my case also my own experiences with it.And personal experiences of blatant overt sexism towards some of the women here .I think it threw me for a loop suddenly we have videos of actors "proving" strangers are less likely to intervene in situations where a man needs some help.It was just sort of odd timing I guess to inject that.Just because Horrible made the remark that she doesn't believe men are oppressed.Thats all.

You did nothing to apologize for. Ignition's calloused comments hit you the wrong way--dare I say, triggered you--and you were merely acting in self defense.

and I was gonna say some more, but if I tell him what he deserves to hear, this thread is gonna degrade into a full-fledged fight. His sexism really ****es me off.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Why are you so reluctant to just admit that the posts I quoted were sexist? Just admit it. As soon as you acknowledge it we can move on and I can give further details about what I said. But I cannot take you seriously if you insist on airbrushing blatantly sexist remarks, or worse, defending them like some others have done here.

My responses to you so far have only focused on your own posts, so I don't know where the airbrushing is. I may be diametrically opposed to whatever posts you quoted for all you know, but you seem to imply that pointing out sexism in your comments necessarily means that I have no problem with sexism against men, which would be totally absurd given that I haven't even mentioned anything about that one way or another in my posts.

 

[ignition]

You did nothing to apologize for. Ignition's calloused comments hit you the wrong way--dare I say, triggered you--and you were merely acting in self defense.

and I was gonna say some more, but if I tell him what he deserves to hear, this thread is gonna degrade into a full-fledged fight. His sexism really ****es me off.

Let's see what sexism looks like shall we?

Some of your responses sure seem emotional. Is it that time of the month, by chance?

Yeah mate, I'm sure you're really concerned about sexism (!) A lot of hot air coming this way.

 

[DallasApple]

Don't you have anything better to do, like discuss this with your realistically thousand rape-victim friends? I'm sure your "inquiring mind" would be satisfied better talking to them than to me. Beat it.

You're the one the challenged her when she was talking about several women she knows who were sexually assaulted.You said she must of met them in a rape victims center or she was lying.

When I made my comments about it you said you were "just curious".

Then made your sick remarks about women being stupid is how they get raped.

Why don't you "beat it"?

 

[ignition]

My responses to you so far have only focused on your own posts, so I don't know where the airbrushing is. I may be diametrically opposed to whatever posts you quoted for all you know, but you seem to imply that pointing out sexism in your comments necessarily means that I have no problem with sexism against men, which would be totally absurd given that I haven't even mentioned anything about that one way or another in my posts.

It only takes a second you know, you've made over 8000 posts on this forum. I want to know if you view the posts in question as sexist or not. You're typing a lot of words already, I can't see how a simple yes or no answer is causing you so much hassle, unless of course the answer is no.

 

[Alceste]

Why don't you "beat it"?

Judging by his appalling lack of expertise talking to women, I'll wager he has no choice.

 

[DallasApple]

You did nothing to apologize for. Ignition's calloused comments hit you the wrong way--dare I say, triggered you--and you were merely acting in self defense.

and I was gonna say some more, but if I tell him what he deserves to hear, this thread is gonna degrade into a full-fledged fight. His sexism really ****es me off.

Probably because I don't even remember everything I said after a certain point.But I'm still sorry.I guess I wasn't in the right mood to talk about strangers not coming to the defense of a man getting slapped around by his GF..or why there aren't as many shelters for abused men as for women.

And the 1st "trigger" for me actually was him calling Alceste a liar.Then asking me "what did I mean my sister and I were "sexually assaulted" .How hard is that to understand unless he thought I was lying too?Then the recounting to convince him its not "unrealistic" and "unbelievable".And on and on to stupid women get raped ...then videos popping up of men getting abused ..And I think that's about when my mind was hijacked all together.

 

[Magic Man]

I just read the post he was referring to, and I interpret your comments the same way. If you think that's a misinterpretation, can you clarify what you meant then?

I don't know what you're talking about. If you've said anything to me before, I'm not aware of it.

I quoted my first post to you above. All I want to know is how you explain the following comments:

I agree with that, apart from the assault of the children the rest could have probably been avoided but if you start making suggestions like don't walk alone in the dark, trust people you don't know, dress appropriately etc. etc. you get the militant feminist internet keyboard warriors get all defensive and say "but it's the fault of the rapist why should I change my lifestyle, I can do whatever I want". To that I say: Fine. Forget self defence precautions. Do what you want. But I don't want to know nor do I care if something happens to you.

It's really stupid, poor working class women who don't really know anything. My mum has a very successful career of nearly 30 years and in all that time she was very respectable and knew what to do in all situations and didn't get in trouble, nothing happened to her. She didn't let the poor stupid people get to her. If you want to get somewhere in life sometimes you have to do things you don't want, even if that means not drinking alcohol late at night, always going with people and dressing properly and NOT talking to random strangers.

I interpret that as blaming the victim and calling them stupid and poor. I realize part of it is saying to avoid certain things to stay safer. It is true that women can take some precautions that decrease their chances of being raped. The problems with what it seems you're saying are:

1) You say if women don't take certain precautions to avoid rape, you don't want to hear them complain when they get raped. That puts all of the responsibility on them and excuses the rapist completely. If the sexual encounter is nonconsensual, it really doesn't matter what the woman did. Nothing she did or didn't do would justify rape. Even if she was careless and didn't pay attention to her surroundings and went against one of your rules, the focus should still be on the rapist and what he did wrong.

2) You imply that by following some rules you set out, a woman can guarantee she'll never get raped. For one thing, all of your suggestions are for avoiding rape by a stranger, but the majority of rapes are perpetrated by men known to the women. For another thing, there is no guarantee that even if you follow your rules you won't get raped.

 

[Debater Slayer]

It only takes a second you know, you've made over 8000 posts on this forum. I want to know if you view the posts in question as sexist or not. You're typing a lot of words already, I can't see how a simple yes or no answer is causing you so much hassle, unless of course the answer is no.

Why does my opinion of some posts matter so much to you? Would it change what you meant by your posts one way or another?

 

[DallasApple]

Let's see what sexism looks like shall we?



Yeah mate, I'm sure you're really concerned about sexism (!) A lot of hot air coming this way.

He was being ironic .I'm a female and in the context of this thread I did not take that as him being sexist.I thought it was whipper snapper funny.

 

[ignition]

Why does my opinion of some posts matter so much to you? Would it change what you meant by your posts one way or another?

It matters because what you're saying and what you're doing are contradictory. You claim to care about sexism despite all the evidence suggesting that you'd prefer to ignore it.

 

[ignition]

He was being ironic .I'm a female and in the context of this thread I did not take that as him being sexist.I thought it was whipper snapper funny.

Yes, and I know many females that think that women get emotional around their "time of the month" and also that the man should lead the family because he's more capable. What's your point? The fact that you're more than happy defending such a sexist comment isn't surprising to me. What if somebody found your horrible personal experiences "funny"?

 

[Alceste]

Yes, and I know many females that think ... the man should lead the family because he's more capable .

What? Either you live in some backwards religious cult that adheres to values that are 2000 years out of date or you're flat out lying.

 

[DallasApple]

2) You imply that by following some rules you set out, a woman can guarantee she'll never get raped. For one thing, all of your suggestions are for avoiding rape by a stranger, but the majority of rapes are perpetrated by men known to the women. For another thing, there is no guarantee that even if you follow your rules you won't get raped.

Exactly.Its a small % of rapes that are by a complete stranger.And within that its not just women who may have not have used their best judgment.Its ignorant people who think rape is all about a woman walking drunk down a dark alley in a bad part of town in a tight miniskirt.And like you said even IF she did its sill 100% the rapist fault for raping her.Saying "don't complain you were raped " is SICK.

But if it makes him feel any better women already have to fight with the tendency to blame herself somehow.

 

[Debater Slayer]

It matters because what you're saying and what you're doing are contradictory. You claim to care about sexism despite all the evidence suggesting that you'd prefer to ignore it.

Again: I haven't addressed the posts you quoted one way or another; my responses to you have been about your own posts and no one else's. You claimed that some posts were sexist, so I asked you to clarify your own in light of that comment because they seemed to imply that victims of sexual assault are to blame for getting attacked, which I found to be a sexist comment that is potentially extremely provocative.

If you don't want to explain what you meant, feel free not to, but don't assume that viewpoints you perceive to be sexist on others' part excuse your own or make them less objectionable.