Self-criticism in the American Left base

[Estro Felino]

Meh, considering the low opinion he seems to have of females, not that shocking.

I think it's a merely cultural and anthropological thing.

I live in a Mediterranean country and women here are very....you know...effusive.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I mean...
I guess there are so may leftists in the United States.
People who believe in social equality, in economic fairness, in a juster and more egalitarian system.

Do you really think that the Democratic Party is a leftist party?
I mean ...it's filled with speculators, banksters, people who worship the Military Industrial Complex...Big Pharma.

Do you ever engage in self-criticism?
Something like: maybe if we got rid of all these wealthy opportunists...we would recover credibility?



Thank you.

There's not really that many leftists in the US. We're more conservative than most Western countries. The Democrats are not really leftist, either. They also have lower affiliation numbers than the Republican Party.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If they are so willing to die for a cause...why did the comedian make the recruiting voluntary?

You probably mean "compulsory".

Because that's what every country at war does when being invaded by an army when the current standing army isn't sufficient to face to invaders.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Because he dared say he loves vagina 20 years ago or something?
It would have been shocking, if he had said he loved penis.

You are so sex obsessed, it's not even funny.

But no, that's literally the least of concerns.

 

[Estro Felino]

You probably mean "compulsory".

Yes, Sorry, I meant: why didn't he make the recruitment on a voluntary basis, like in most Western countries?

Because that's what every country at war does when being invaded by an army when the current standing army isn't sufficient to face to invaders.

But it means that many many soldiers are forced to fight against their will.

Maybe there's even death penalty for desertion in that primitive warlike country you guys defend.

 

[Estro Felino]

You are so sex obsessed, it's not even funny.

I was serious.
Most anti-Trumpists say their hatred has psychiatric-sexual reasons.

 

[BrightShadow]

Politics is more real than religion. It actually drals with policies that impact our lives on a daily basis. Religion doesn't have nearly as much real world value.

It would be best if people focused as much on politics as they do on their religions. Study the constitution and policy documents even better than they do the bible ( because biblical literacy amongst christians is apalling). Then maybe their lot in life would be better and more enriching.

You need a balance and these folks don't have a balance in their lives.
A big portion of lefties are atheists or folks who don't adhere to any known religion because when you are a member of LGBTQIA+ or when you support pro-choice - you have to hang all your religious convictions in a closet in the basement that you never visit. Many discard their religion completely.

Hence I said - they need a day to celebrate their non-belief.
A day to talk to each other why abortion is good.
A day to celebrate why they should promote LGBTQ agendas.
A day to to self reflect.
A day to ride on the back of a donkey or a pony and keep politics off their heads.
The other six days - they can talk about politics.
This will give them some balance. It may even open up their eyes.
And I suggest that day to be the 'Hump day' (Wednesdays).

 

[Estro Felino]

You need a balance and these folks don't have a balance in their lives.
A big portion of lefties are atheists or folks who don't adhere to any known religion because when you are a member of LGBTQIA+ or when you support pro-choice - you have to hang all your religious convictions in a closet in the basement that you never visit. Many discard their religion completely.

Hence I said - they need a day to celebrate their non-belief.
A day to talk to each other why abortion is good.
A day to celebrate why they should promote LGBTQ agendas.
A day to to self reflect.
A day to ride on the back of a donkey or a pony and keep politics off their heads.
The other six days - they can talk about politics.
This will give them some balance. It may even open up their eyes.
And I suggest that day to be the 'Hump day' (Wednesdays).

Honestly I believe atheists are smart. Musk is an atheist, for example.

The problem is anti-intellectualism. When one is allergic to books, the Left will fill their heads with stuff.
Like the stuff you mentioned.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yes, Sorry, I meant: why didn't he make the recruitment on a voluntary basis, like in most Western countries?

If a western country is invaded and forced to wage war, the "voluntary basis" turns into "mandatory" very quickly, just like in WW2.
This has nothing to do with zelensky and everything with common sense.

You are trying to paint Zelensky in a bad light by pointing at something that literally every country in the world would do.

But it means that many many soldiers are forced to fight against their will.

There are also many many that do so voluntarily.
How is this different from the Russian side?
How is this different compared to just about any instance in world history where one country was invaded by another after which mandatory drafting was put in place?

Maybe there's even death penalty for desertion in that primitive warlike country you guys defend.

"maybe"?

Are you pulling stuff out of your behind again and trying to move forward pretending it to be fact?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I was serious.
Most anti-Trumpists say their hatred has psychiatric-sexual reasons.

Not any that I'm aware off.

 

[crossfire]

You need a balance and these folks don't have a balance in their lives.
A big portion of lefties are atheists or folks who don't adhere to any known religion because when you are a member of LGBTQIA+ or when you support pro-choice - you have to hang all your religious convictions in a closet in the basement that you never visit. Many discard their religion completely.

Hence I said - they need a day to celebrate their non-belief.
A day to talk to each other why abortion is good.
A day to celebrate why they should promote LGBTQ agendas.
A day to to self reflect.
A day to ride on the back of a donkey or a pony and keep politics off their heads.
The other six days - they can talk about politics.
This will give them some balance. It may even open up their eyes.
And I suggest that day to be the 'Hump day' (Wednesdays).

Wednesday--Woden's day-Hermes Day-Mercury Day--my natural day of recovery.

 

[Estro Felino]

Not any that I'm aware off.

Really?
It's all about he is unhinged and he is inappropriate with women.

It's not about his ideas.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Really?

Really.

It's all about he is unhinged and he is inappropriate with women.

It sure gets mentioned, but it's not at all the main reason. Not even remotely.

It's not about his ideas.

False.

This just goes to show how little you pay attention.
That, or how you only get your intel from propaganda and tabloids.

 

[BrightShadow]

Honestly I believe atheists are smart. Musk is an atheist, for example.

The problem is anti-intellectualism. When one is allergic to books, the Left will fill their heads with stuff.
Like the stuff you mentioned.

I was just having fun!
They are smart Atheists - but a balance is needed.
If you only believe verifiable facts then you cannot think outside of the box.
Sometimes there are more than one solution to a problem. Sometimes you have to learn to settle for less and yet be a winner.
Atheist usually give their 100% support to the LGBT+ crowd and they are quietly working against all religions. They think people of faith are all delusional.
So I am giving them a taste of their own medicine.

 

[Valjean]

A big portion of lefties are atheists or folks who don't adhere to any known religion because when you are a member of LGBTQIA+ or when you support pro-choice - you have to hang all your religious convictions in a closet in the basement that you never visit. Many discard their religion completely.

A big portion of lefties are religiously motivated idealists, reflecting the peace, love and brotherhood advocated by Christ. This intolerant evangelical or nationalist Christianity is a new development.

Do you think all religions pattern their moral doctrine on Christianity, with its cherry-picked mitzvot? LGBTQ and pro choice are not universal religious issues, they're Christian conservative issues.

Doesn't God judge you by what's in your heart, rather than how strictly you adhere to His rule-book? Following a religious penal code is not virtue.

 

[Valjean]

Honestly I believe atheists are smart. Musk is an atheist, for example.

The problem is anti-intellectualism. When one is allergic to books, the Left will fill their heads with stuff.
Like the stuff you mentioned.

But aren't the intellectuals and book-readers mostly left-of-centre?

 

[Valjean]

Really?
It's all about he is unhinged and he is inappropriate with women.

It's not about his ideas.

I'm less concerned with is behavior toward women than with his qualifications for the job and mental stability.

 

[Estro Felino]

But aren't the intellectuals and book-readers mostly left-of-centre?

Hardly.
I mean... if someone is so obsessed with abortion like leftists are, it means they haven't read the thousands of books about avoiding an unwanted pregnancy.
My best friend has read them. She has never got pregnant.

 

[Valjean]

I was just having fun!
They are smart Atheists - but a balance is needed.
If you only believe verifiable facts then you cannot think outside of the box.

So belief without evidence; belief in invisible, unevidenced things = thinking outside the box?
I wouldn't even call it thinking. I'd call it delusion. Without some method of sorting fact from fiction belief in pink unicorns and phlogiston carries the same level of confidence as belief in horses and energy.
The inability to distinguish reality from illusion is not thinking outside the box.

Sometimes there are more than one solution to a problem. Sometimes you have to learn to settle for less and yet be a winner.

OK... What does that have to do with the subject?

Atheist usually give their 100% support to the LGBT+ crowd and they are quietly working against all religions. They think people of faith are all delusional.
So I am giving them a taste of their own medicine.

No. That's just flat-out false. Where did you get these ideas?

First off, atheism is not a religion, philosophy or doctrine. It has no beliefs, political philosophy or doctrine. Atheism has only one definitive feature: lack of belief in God or gods. Atheism is the state of being unconvinced of the existence of God.

A delusion is a category of belief, so how would lack of belief be a delusion?

Don't assume that the largely liberal political viewpoints of the handful of atheists posting here in RF is typical of all atheists. Nor should you assume our lack of God-belief has anything to do with our politics, musical preference, or favorite football team. Finally, don't assume atheists are anti-religious zealots. Personally, I rarely give the subject a thought, except it come up in discussions like this one.

 

[Valjean]

Hardly.
I mean... if someone is so obsessed with abortion like leftists are, it means they haven't read the thousands of books about avoiding an unwanted pregnancy.
My best friend has read them. She has never got pregnant.

I think it's the Right obsessed with abortion, prayer in schools, and gender issues. They're the ones stirring the pot over here. The Left is waging a defensive battle.
Knowing how to avoid pregnancy, and having the self-discipline or means to do so, are different issues. Moreover, I'd venture a guess that the majority of unwanted pregnancies here occur among the politically indifferent, non book reading crowd.