I have not read any development of what exactly was experienced here by the OP.
But it has been praised and awarde esteem and respect and honor and even a little bit of admiration and good natured envy.
No one mentioned if the experienced dovetails or has a relation to Buddha's nobel truths, esp the 1st nobel truth, 'all the world is sufferring'.
Why is this 1st nobel truth alway missing from the discussion?
Namaste mohini ji,
1st Truth is indeed noble
- it is pre-requisite for advaita. But not for other paths.
I understand that not many people read my looong replies, specially when they are not related to you. I have mentioned it, but not in naked form.
"All the world is suffering" This produces vairagya - dispassion in society. Vairagya is absence of worldly thoughts. So if your mind does not go into samsara, then it is with God. So thinking of God all times is vivek-yukta vairagya i.e. dispassion accompanied by discrimination and not an impulsive reaction which one can take if one is not capable of feeding his family (jobless, etc) or due to a trauma (when young son dies, etc).
The reason of not talking too much about suffering is because this is a public forum and not all joining or asking questions have moksha as the only goal. All have desires. You may have read the statement like not giving up responsibility, etc in this thread. This is the general mental status. Actual guidance is only possible when one sits in front if Guru and there is face-2-face, one-on-one talk with each other. Some things are left for questioner to think and contemplate
If before time comes, or say if one has desires and is not ready to give them up, and you keep talking about renunciation of desires, quoting from shastras, then the questioner is not left to say anything. He is not in position (mind is not ready) to renounce anything, and the ideals set are very high. So what will happen in this case? instead of progressing and finding peace within and being cheerful and contented, exact opposite with happen in his life. Now this is a dangerous situation.
So I have advised to one respected member that moderation is necessary. Anything in excess is poison.
1. work
2. sex
3. rest
4. enjoyment
5. meditation (includes spiritual activities like reading shastras, which are important, but meditation is the core thing
Path of renunciation is not for everybody? why? here are some quotes which I have collected. But before, getting onto these verses, lets clarify something.
If you read some if my replies, I have given seven points which could be of help. To add to it, further I have said, it is time to dive deep within. OP thought if the experience is Self-Realization and whether it is permanent, to which I have answered according to my limited knowledge. Later discussion was between me and Windwalker ji.
Please note that not by speaking negative about this samsara, but by thinking on brahman, one merges in brahman. I have collected some verses from shastras. In an attempt to explain Advaita, I have tried to pen down my personal thoughts and extracts from discourses that I have listened explain advaita. I have put them online in a form of website. I do not want to market it, but if you wish to positively understand advaita, you can PM me and I will give you the link. I have faith that right souls will be attracted to it.
EDIT: Encouragement is necessary
Ok, so here are some verses.
Bhagavan in Gita says that
क्लेशोऽधिकतरस्तेषामव्यक्तासक्तचेतसाम्।
अव्यक्ता हि गतिर्दुःखं देहवद्भिरवाप्यते।।12.5।।
12.5 Greater is their trouble whose minds are set on the unmanifested (Nirguna brahman); for the goal; the unmanifested, is very hard for the embodied to reach.
The path is difficult because the aspirant has to give up attachment to the body from the very beginning of his spiritual practice.The embodied: Those who identify themselves with their bodies. Identification with the body is Dehabhimana. The imperishable Brahman is very hard to reach for those who are attached to their bodies. Further, it is extremely difficult to fix the resltess mind on the formless and attributeless Brahman.
Sri Ramana Maharshi in Sri Ramana Gita Chapter 7 says:
Ones who have purified their mind through sadhana (meditation) or by Sattvik Karma in past lives can practice advaita Vedanta. He further says that one who does not give much importance to his body and senses and has no interest in the worldly affairs instead of being surrounded by worldly issues are considered as eligible for Self Enquiry.
Svetasvatara Upanishad also says that same thing (6.23) -
यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ ।
तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः ॥
प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।6:23।
यस्य For whom देवे to God परा भक्तिः Supreme devotion यथा देवे as to God तथा So गुरौ To the Master ।
तस्यैते To that [high souled / pure mind] one कथिता expounded ह्यर्थाः these truths प्रकाशन्ते shine महात्मनः to that high souled॥ प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति shine as High Soul indeed.
These truths, when taught, shine forth only in that high-souled one / pure mind who has Supreme Devotion to God, and an equal degree of devotion the Spiritual Master. They shine forth in that High-Souled one only.
Bhagavan in Gita says, men of knowledge are rare
मनुष्याणां सहस्रेषु कश्चिद्यतति सिध्दये।
यततामपि सिध्दानां कश्चिन्मां वेत्ति तत्त्वतः।।7.3।।
manuṣyāṇāṅ sahasrēṣu kaścidyatati sidhdayē.
yatatāmapi sidhdānāṅ kaścinmāṅ vētti tattvataḥ..7.3..
7.3 Among thousands of men, one perchance strives for perfection; even among those successful strivers, only one perchance knows Me in essence (tatva).
Note: Here, bhagavan says 'knows' and not 'sees'. Also note that knows 'Me' in essence (tatva).
This verse is connected with 7:19, which is explained in the section " 'I' or 'Me' can be taken as 'Brahman' "
संन्यासस्तु महाबाहो दुःखमाप्तुमयोगतः।
योगयुक्तो मुनिर्ब्रह्म नचिरेणाधिगच्छति।।5.6।।
saṅnyāsastu mahābāhō duḥkhamāptumayōgataḥ.
yōgayuktō munirbrahma nacirēṇādhigacchati..5.6..
5.6 But, O mighty-armed one, renunciation is hard to attain without (Karma-) yoga. The meditative man equipped with yoga attains Brahman without delay.
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