Separation of families at the border

[shmogie]

My post stated very clearly, single parents.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Have you ever bought buildings, food, beds, clothing, medicine, etc, etc.
Such things require money. And unless the oft vaunted exemplar, Jesus,
delivers unto us handouts from Dad, taxpayers foot the bill.

Well, if the government didn't lock them up like that, they wouldn't have to foot the bill for such things. Blame Trump not Jesus. Their are family members and others who are willing to sponsor those refugees and asylum seekers but the government is refusing them. Blame Trump.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Is a hungry person who breaks the law to eat commiting a crime?

Is a homeless person committing a crime by staying in an unrented house without permission?

Being a refugee or an asylum seeker is not against the law.

 

[We Never Know]

Being a refugee or an asylum seeker is not against the law.

Not what I asked you. Let's try again.

Is a hungry person commiting a crime by taking food without asking/not belonging to him?

Is a homeless person committing a crime by staying in an unrented house without permission?

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Not what I asked you. Let's try again.

Is a hungry person commiting a crime by taking food without asking/not belonging to him?

Is a homeless person committing a crime by staying in an unrented house without permission?

Those are not the issues being discussed. The issues being discussed is the border crisis. Different issues. Maybe you should come back after your mental fog lifts

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, if the government didn't lock them up like that, they wouldn't have to foot the bill for such things. Blame Trump not Jesus. Their are family members and others who are willing to sponsor those refugees and asylum seekers but the government is refusing them. Blame Trump.

I do blame Trump for his inability to fix the border security problem.
Nonetheless, you're deflecting from the issue that providing
unlimited Christian charity is impossible until that manna falls
from the sky for free.

 

[We Never Know]

Those are not the issues being discussed. The issues being discussed is the border crisis. Different issues. Maybe you should come back after your mental fog lifts

The issues being discussed is breaking the law. Coming here illegally is breaking the law. Not to mention endangerment of the welfare of minors by dragging the children along that dangerous journey.

 

[shmogie]

Well, if the government didn't lock them up like that, they wouldn't have to foot the bill for such things. Blame Trump not Jesus. Their are family members and others who are willing to sponsor those refugees and asylum seekers but the government is refusing them. Blame Trump.

Trump ? The law that requires the separation came down under Obama, and he did it.

93% percent of these people, when released, are never heard from again. They disappear into the interior, yet are part of the illegal population who cost taxpayers billions every year.

H**l no, don´t let them go.

Asylum law is extremely clear. One may be granted asylum because of potential harm as a result of political, racial, or religious persecution.

Going del norte to get benefits and more money, or because your country is crime ridden doesń´t count. Further, the UN says that those seeking asylum are to do so at the first country they reach that will not persecute them because of politics, race, or religion. However, they can get good benefits and cash in that first country. or the second, or the third so they traipse along till they get to the USA.

Because only a very tiny percentage of these illegals are ever granted asylum. That´s why when let go they never come back for their hearing, and bingo, we gotém, forever.

 

[fantome profane]

He would use magic to accomplish it all.
But the federal government uses our tax money.
This is an important consideration because unlike
mythical deities, our resources are limited.

But a trillion dollar tax cut and give aways to the disgustingly wealthy, just put it on your tab.

 

[We Never Know]

Those are not the issues being discussed. The issues being discussed is the border crisis. Different issues. Maybe you should come back after your mental fog lifts

1. A hungry person who illegally takes food is breaking the law.

2. A homeless man who illegally stays in a vacant house is breaking the law.

3. A person who crosses into the U.S. illegally is breaking the law.

All are breaking the law. Why do you feel we should overlook 3 and not 1 and 2?

 

[shmogie]

I do blame Trump for his inability to fix the border security problem.
Nonetheless, you're deflecting from the issue that providing
unlimited Christian charity is impossible until that manna falls
from the sky for free.

Trump cannot fix anything, congress must do it, and they won´t.

The more golden eggs the goose has to lay with a percentage taken for those who have no right to it, the less Americans get, and the goose dries up faster.

The USA is a secular nation, since when is it responsible for providing Christian charity ?

Christ never told his followers to agitate for Rome to better care for the poor. Christian charity provided by the government is just a cheap excuse for people who don´t really want to do it.

 

[Rise]

And how well did that work out for the Native Americans?

That's what I always find ironic about people trying to use those kind of arguments saying "well, your ancestors came here illegally".
Are you saying you want to end up like the Native Americans did?

They automatically end up proving that those who want strong borders are right because history shows they have good reason to say it's bad for the stability of the current order of society to let unchecked illegal immigration flow into your society - especially when those entering have no desire to assimilate but instead act more like colonizers coming to impose their way of life on the current inhabitants.

 

[shmogie]

But a trillion dollar tax cut and give aways to the disgustingly wealthy, just put it on your tab.

More total BS. Wealthy people in one way or another generate jobs that no one else can. Further, the middle class benefited from the tax cut.

Invested money means businesses grow, buy more goods, and employ more people.

The democrats have been spending trillions for at least 50 years to fight poverty.

Go to any democrat controlled city, and see how well they have done.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No you can't, you have to be on US soil in order to apply. If you don't know what you are talking about then don't comment, you will bring shame on your mother

A lot of them still want to do that, since the waiting in Mexico policy was implemented. As of now however, you can wait in Mexico while processing in your application .

 

[shmogie]

Being a refugee or an asylum seeker is not against the law.

It sure is when you cross the border illegally, and that is what the overwhelming majority of them do.

There is no excuse in the law for any foreign national to enter the US illegally. Anyone that does it has committed a crime.

 

[Twilight Hue]

And how well did that work out for the Native Americans?

That's what I always find ironic about people trying to use those kind of arguments saying "well, your ancestors came here illegally".
Are you saying you want to end up like the Native Americans did?

They automatically end up proving that those who want strong borders are right because history shows they have good reason to say it's bad for the stability of the current order of society to let unchecked illegal immigration flow into your society - especially when those entering have no desire to assimilate but instead act more like colonizers coming to impose their way of life on the current inhabitants.

I recall a lot of Native Americans now quoting, "Now you know how we feel".

 

[Revoltingest]

But a trillion dollar tax cut and give aways to the disgustingly wealthy, just put it on your tab.

Are you arguing that the existence of wasteful government
acts in one area justifies justify them in another?

 

[shmogie]

They aren't illegal aliens, they are asylum seekers and refugees who have committed no crime.

If they have crossed the border illegally, and most do they certainly have broken the law.

Name calling again, you are back in the third grade, again.

 

[Rise]

There is a lot of ginned up angst about adults and children being separated at the border. Most of these occur with those who have crossed the border illegally to enter the US.

There are firm legal reasons why this happens, but these are not important to the point of this post.

It's not just legal reasons, but moral reasons.

Last I heard as many as 1/3 of the children coming across the border are not the children of those who claim to be their parents.

Criminals groups are actually kidnapping children in Mexico and using them as tools to get into the US by taking advantage of immigration law loopholes concerning detaining "families" being different from individuals.

The children are recycled, shuffled back across the border and put in the hands of new people that are coming across the border who then claim to be their parents.

Is is not right to these children that we just take the word of their supposed parents that they are who they say they are without first verifying that.

To say nothing of the other types of slave and sex trafficking that these criminal groups engage in across the border. And the fact that 80% of women central american women/girls taking over the border by these groups end up getting raped in the process.

It is immoral not to put a stop to these kinds of activities by closing off the southern border to illegal traffic and doing what is necessary to protect the children that end up in custody from those who have a good chance of not actually being their parents.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump cannot fix anything, congress must do it, and they won´t.

The problem I see here is that Trump is poor at negotiation.
His abusive & combative style has inspired the same in them.

The USA is a secular nation, since when is it responsible for providing Christian charity ?

Christians dominate the voting public & government.
We see this evidenced here on RF with all the complaining
that the country should be more like Jesus.

Christ never told his followers to agitate for Rome to better care for the poor. Christian charity provided by the government is just a cheap excuse for people who don´t really want to do it.

Such are a great many Christians.