Serial Adultery, Cheating, Lying, Trysts With a Porn Star . . . .

[Kangaroo Feathers]

...or keeps the economy from tanking. Do you folks really believe we didn't know who Donald Trump was before we voted for him? About time to get over it and move on, don't you think?

I never liked nor supported Obama, for example, but I remember the ridiculous attempts to demonise him over petty nonsense like lapel pins and Christmas tree ornaments.

For just a moment, imagine it was revealed Obama had had sex with a porn star while his wife was recovering from pregnancy and looking after a newborn. Can you imagine the apoplectic frothing that would have come from the tribal right? Now, of course I'm sure YOU would never have done such a thing, but it seems like an awful lot of the people who wanted to crucify Obama over long distant indiscretions and associations, as well as minor perceived proprietary breaches, are the exact same people who are now handwaving Trump's cheating on his new mother of a wife.

Personally, I'm not overly fussed about extramarital issues. I think it's a private matter for the people concerned. What absolutely enrages me is the blatant, utter hypocrisy of Trump and his enablers.

 

[Father Heathen]

It is a case of Christian forgiveness, not condoning.

Yet their "forgiveness" seems to be exclusively reserved for political allies.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

First off your assertion that the majority of Trump supporters fear Muslims and refugees from the Middle East, believe that women are not suited for politics, and oppose LGBTQ rights is false. Secondly nobody know for sure what exactly happened between Trump and that pornography maker. As for adultery there hasn’t been proof of that, only allegations by Trump adversaries. Thirdly these hints were all known before Trump was elected. Trump denied some of the allegations and apologized and asked forgiveness for others. The public, not just evangelicals, accepted his apologies enough to elect him. It isn’t a case of hypocrisy at all. It is a case of Christian forgiveness, not condoning.

Now, I’m not an evangelical nor a Trump supporter. But ham handed diatribes don’t really do much good. Sure, you may get approbation from anti-Trumpites happy for red meat Trump bashing. Yet in the end it is just echo chamber noise.

 

[Father Heathen]

I think it was anti-Hillary with these voters. It was such a pizz poor selection.

It's one thing for someone to have held their nose and voted for Trump because they thought he was the "lesser of two evils", but it's another thing entirely to hero worship the clown and pretend that he can do no wrong.

 

[BSM1]

I never liked nor supported Obama, for example, but I remember the ridiculous attempts to demonise him over petty nonsense like lapel pins and Christmas tree ornaments.

For just a moment, imagine it was revealed Obama had had sex with a porn star while his wife was recovering from pregnancy and looking after a newborn. Can you imagine the apoplectic frothing that would have come from the tribal right? Now, of course I'm sure YOU would never have done such a thing, but it seems like an awful lot of the people who wanted to crucify Obama over long distant indiscretions and associations, as well as minor perceived proprietary breaches, are the exact same people who are now handwaving Trump's cheating on his new mother of a wife.

Personally, I'm not overly fussed about extramarital issues. I think it's a private matter for the people concerned. What absolutely enrages me is the blatant, utter hypocrisy of Trump and his enablers.

Lot of "what ifs" don't you think? Moral equivalency is a wondrous thing.

 

[Stanyon]

Serial adultery, cheating, lying, trysts with a porn star sounds like one hell of a party!

It does! but I think the O.P. Could have put cheating, adultery, and trysts all under the umbrella of adultery since they are the same, I guess it made it more dramatic to use all three.

 

[metis]

Don't remember one "conservative" shooting any Democratic congressman at any softball game.

The Parkland shooter labeled himself as being a "conservative".

 

[sandy whitelinger]

It's one thing for someone to have held their nose and voted for Trump because they thought he was the "lesser of two evils", but it's another thing entirely to hero worship the clown and pretend that he can do no wrong.

It's the same as with any president's support or opposition. We just have a buffoon to target now.

 

[4consideration]

Be patient. It'll happen.

And when it does happen, conservatives will say what they always say, "The shooter suffered from mental health issues and was not motivated by ideology". So why was the guy who shot up the Republican congresscritters motivated by ideology rather than by mental health issues?

Hypocrites come in all stripes.

If anyone had referred to the Democratic member of congress, Gabby Giffords in such a sub-human way, with a term such as "congresscritter", I would have objected...and all hell would have broken loose on this thread over it. I am objecting here.

We don't have to dehumanize people we disagree with, or make light of shootings. I'm flabbergasted.

Steve Scalise is a representative from the district I grew up in, and while I don't know him personally, he is known on a personal level by some of my family members. I thoroughly object to your off-hand reference to the shooting of him as him and the shooting up of "congresscritters". He's real.

You don't have to like him, or agree with his politics, but please don't treat the shooting of him in such an offhanded manner, as though he's not worthy of being referred to as human just because he's Republian.

 

[Shaul]

Right. Everyone knows if Obama had cheated on Michelle, the Evangelicals would have rushed to forgive him, Christian forgiveness being such a huge motive of theirs.

Maybe they would, we’ll never know. But it would mean Obama would have to confess to having done something wrong. When has he ever taken full responsibility, without trying to minimize, of something he has done wrong? They forgave Carter when he confessed to having “committed adultery in his heart”.

 

[Stevicus]

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THE SACRED VALUES OF TRUMPISM
A. Core Values

By Paul Froese, Jeremy Uecker, and Kenneth Vaughan

As national surveys and exit polls have already shown, Evangelical Protestants voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump. This was somewhat surprising given that evangelical voters tend to value expressions of religious piety from their chosen candidates; arguably, Donald Trump did not fit the normal Evangelical profile. That said, there were some indications that the Trump campaign could appeal to conservative religionists.

Taken together, the favoring of emotional Truth over fact and the belief that patriotism is fundamentally anti-government were key components of Trump’s rhetoric and popularity.

More than six in ten white Evangelical Protestants voted for Donald Trump. This is below
some other national survey estimates due to how evangelicalism is measured; our calculation is
based on the church attended by a respondent.

In sum, of those who voted for Trump, the majority:

• are members of white Evangelical Protestant churches
• consider themselves “very religious”
• think of the United States as a Christian nation
• believe that God is actively engaged in world affairs
• fear Muslims and refugees from the Middle East
• believe that women are not suited for politics
• oppose LGBTQ rights
source​

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Hypocrisy, trysts, lying, adultery, etc. have been part and parcel of politics for a long time. Even liberals would say that adultery and lying are bad things, but when Clinton did it, they forgave him too.

But at least when they say that these are bad things, they're still consistent with their stated beliefs (even if they're more than willing to forgive transgressions in this area).

However, the thing that floors me are the things that conservatives and Christians openly embrace, such as greed, pretense, and showing such scorn and derision towards the poor and needy. They openly serve mammon, which is far worse than any other sin they can dream up.

 

[Shaul]

Yet their "forgiveness" seems to be exclusively reserved for political allies.

Really? You know their hearts? At least they can forgive. It seems the anti-Trump can’t even forgive Trump for winning the election.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Lot of "what ifs" don't you think? Moral equivalency is a wondrous thing.

If you didn't read or understand what I said, you could simply not comment.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Really? You know their hearts? At least they can forgive. It seems the anti-Trump can’t even forgive Trump for winning the election.

Where were you during the Obama presidency?

 

[Shaul]

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Let he who is without spin cast the first stone.

 

[Rival]

Let he who is without spin cast the first stone.

Why are you quoting Christian scripture?

 

[Shaul]

Where were you during the Obama presidency?

I was watching Obama being forgiven for his peccadilloes time and time again by his friends and covered by his fans in the media. Where were you?

 

[Shaul]

Why are you quoting Christian scripture?

Why not? It seemed apropos.

 

[Stevicus]

I was watching Obama being forgiven for his peccadilloes time and time again by his friends and covered by his fans in the media. Where were you?

Well, yeah, there's a lot of forgiveness in politics, too. Of course, both sides are going to forgive the peccadilloes of their own, and why wouldn't they?

But overall, I think the public seems to be more numb to allegations of marital infidelity in politics. While it pretty much killed Gary Hart's campaign for president back in the 80s, it didn't seem to have much effect on Clinton's campaign. Even JFK is still beloved by millions, despite his affairs.

More people overall seem accepting of it than in previous eras. Stories like that seem to have a certain titillating appeal to a voyeuristic public always on the lookout for a cheap thrill.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

imagine it was revealed Obama had had sex with a porn star while his wife was recovering from pregnancy and looking after a newborn. Can you imagine the apoplectic frothing that would have come from the tribal right?

@Armoured

You and @Father Heathen might like this video of an Obama impersonator on the Bill Maher show repeating things that Trump has actually said. Begin at 3:10 if you don't want to hear Maher discussing conservative fact bending and hypocrisy: