Serial Adultery, Cheating, Lying, Trysts With a Porn Star . . . .

[Revoltingest]

People in positions of power become dicks? Or do these positions of power draw the dickheads to them?

Clinton, Obama, Trump, they all have their extra marital sexcapades. Is it the power corrupts or is it just the types of folks who seek positions of power?

I often wonder if I found myself in such a position, would I be the same, faithful, loyal, trustworthy, brave... etc all that boy scout stuff or would I become as much a dick as the rest of them?

Trump's not the kind of person I'd want to hang around with. I wouldn't want to hang with Clinton or Obama either. Presidents are creepy folks IMO.

I hadn't heard of any Obama extra-marital trysts.
But still I agree....I wouldn't want to meet any President (former or current) in a dark alley.

 

[Nakosis]

Obama? Source for this?

I thought this was common knowledge, or maybe not. The media didn't really bring it up much I suppose.

Spoiler: Maybe Offensive to Some

Look up Larry Sinclair or Obama, Queer BJ on Youtube.

 

[metis]

I thought this was common knowledge, or maybe not. The media didn't really bring it up much I suppose.

I checked through numerous websites and only the right-wing sites seem to have this "fact". Even Limbaugh made such a claim but then walked it back, saying that he didn't know that for sure. The right-wing sites have Obama doing all sorts of things including this supposed adulterous affair.

And maybe "the media didn't bring it up much" for good reason. .

 

[Nakosis]

I checked through numerous websites and only the right-wing sites seem to have this "fact". Even Limbaugh made such a claim but then walked it back, saying that he didn't know that for sure. The right-wing sites have Obama doing all sorts of things including this supposed adulterous affair.

And maybe "the media didn't bring it up much" for good reason. .

Ok, it was testified under oath, but folks can research it for themselves. But if it was true, would that really make a difference?

 

[metis]

Ok, it was testified under oath, but folks can research it for themselves. But if it was true, would that really make a difference?

Link please, but please use a major news source, maybe even Fox or Politifact or Politico or NBC or ABC or CBS or USA Today or CBC or BBC or PBS or AP or Reuters or...

 

[Nakosis]

Link please, but please use a major news source, maybe even Fox or Politifact or Politico or NBC or ABC or CBS or USA Today or CBC or BBC or PBS or AP or Reuters or...

I don't think it's appropriate for the forums.

Wasn't hard to find. Maybe different search engine and all.

Still wondering though what difference it would have made.

alright, go to Youtube and type in.

Spoiler: Offensive Language

Obama Blow Job

Should come up first.

 

[metis]

alright, go to Youtube and type in.

I already did, but Enquirer is hardly a reliable source, nor did I see any other source that's anywhere near close to being mainstream.

 

[Nakosis]

I already did, but Enquirer is hardly a reliable source, nor did I see any other source that's anywhere near close to being mainstream.

Ok, still what difference would it make if true?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Ok, it was testified under oath, but folks can research it for themselves. But if it was true, would that really make a difference?

It was testified under oath that Obama had extramarital affair(s)? By whom?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Ok, still what difference would it make if true?

It would make the people crying and wailing about how unfair it is to criticise Trump for his affair less hypocritical, since apparently no one made a big deal about Obama's.

 

[metis]

Ok, still what difference would it make if true?

The "difference" is that you made a charge that appears not to be true although, truth be told, some others have done much the same, including moi.

 

[Nakosis]

The "difference" is that you made a charge that appears not to be true although, truth be told, some others have done much the same, including moi.

Not even willing to consider the possibility. Ok, didn't think it'd cause that most drama. Still don't know why, but I guess it does.

 

[Nakosis]

It would make the people crying and wailing about how unfair it is to criticise Trump for his affair less hypocritical, since apparently no one made a big deal about Obama's.

I can understand the hypocrisy in the religious right, but like I said in the beginning don't see it as a big issue personally.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Yup, the sort of person I might not mind having as a friend, but not the sort I would want leading anything I was associated with.

So if a person has the gall to forsake their vow as a spouse what makes you think they wont forsake their vow as a friend?

 

[Stevicus]

So if a person has the gall to forsake their vow as a spouse what makes you think they wont forsake their vow as a friend?

I think the rules are different for spouses and friends. In fact, there really is no "vow" for a friend. If a friend cancels an outing with me to go bowling with another friend, I wouldn't necessarily consider it a betrayal.

On the other hand, I figure a lot of these high-powered, wealthy celebrity types have women throwing themselves at them all the time. It must be quite a temptation, such as with rock stars having women screaming and chasing after them all the time. It may not be that they actually intend to forsake their vow, but a man can only resist so much before he might be tempted to give in.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Maybe they would, we’ll never know. But it would mean Obama would have to confess to having done something wrong. When has he ever taken full responsibility, without trying to minimize, of something he has done wrong? They forgave Carter when he confessed to having “committed adultery in his heart”.

I think you meant to say "Trump" there.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Do you understand what betrayal of trust, breaking vows and lying is? Or maybe you have a psychological condition where you're not able to comprehend empathy? I mean, really. I find it shocking that you don't understand why someone would view adultery as wrong. Wtf.

Half of the nation is standing slack-jawed in disbelief of the other half. It's like two races of people living among one another with almost nothing in common.

A few years back a friend of my wife's and mine began stepping out on his wife in a public way. It destroyed our otherwise high opinion of him. We were uncomfortable being with him, and the friendship ended. I guess the 40% that still approve of Trump would be fine with that.

Absolutely I understand it. It's all emotional driven. I just don't see being driven by one's emotions being very practical. And, I understand most folks most folks can't help themselves. You feel what you feel. However it is really better to let go and move on to better things. The sooner the better.

Emotion is where we live, and though it should not drive decisions, decisions should be made considering how they will affect feelings. I could not escape the feeling I had for my adulterous friend, and made the rational decision to remove him from my life out of respect for my feelings. Reason directed the choice, but the choice was made to optimize feelings, as are all choices ultimately.

I checked through numerous websites and only the right-wing sites seem to have this "fact". Even Limbaugh made such a claim but then walked it back, saying that he didn't know that for sure. The right-wing sites have Obama doing all sorts of things including this supposed adulterous affair.

As you know, that's how you know that it is fake news. There is no news known only to conservatives. Claims that can only be found on conservative (or Christian) websites likely originated with them, not credible news sources. Once one understands the values, methods, and agenda that such sources bring to their mission, there is no reason to trust what they write, so why read it?

Not even willing to consider the possibility. Ok, didn't think it'd cause that most drama. Still don't know why, but I guess it does.

Sure, they were willing to consider the possibility. Metis even searched it out. What they apparently weren't willing to do was believe your unsupported claim. That's what defines them as skeptics.

The drama relates back to this fundamental divide in people that was referring to above, which referred to the enormous moral gulf between Americans - or how we decide what is right, good, acceptable, and unacceptable. Now we see the other half of this divide - how we decide what is true. It looks like you trusted a conservative website. That was a good demonstration of why I don't. It's too much work to fact-check their claims and then to discover what relevant evidence they left out. Sources that lack political and religious agendas for information, especially once you are familiar with them and their reliability, are much better..

Your comment about not seeing a big deal in accepting and promulgating a false belief reminds me of the person who couldn't see a problem with betrayal in a relationship. These are differences that define these two types of people.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I think the rules are different for spouses and friends. In fact, there really is no "vow" for a friend. If a friend cancels an outing with me to go bowling with another friend, I wouldn't necessarily consider it a betrayal.

On the other hand, I figure a lot of these high-powered, wealthy celebrity types have women throwing themselves at them all the time. It must be quite a temptation, such as with rock stars having women screaming and chasing after them all the time. It may not be that they actually intend to forsake their vow, but a man can only resist so much before he might be tempted to give in.

Apparently I grew up different....loyalty is loyalty. In the inner city we have a term called "ride or die."