Your second point is false and rationalization. It relies upon a personal view on what people think fair compensation is and falls apart when compared to people who make billions a year compared to people who make minimum wage. Ultimately you added a lot of words for your own benefit and not for mine. I get people paying servants what they think is fair while getting paid far more and considering that fair as hierarchy they are refusing to acknowledge. Why is it do you think some people should work without health care at a wage considered fair for people determining what is fair who make far more and who have health care? Is there a first and second class citizen model I am missing somewhere? Do you think hiring a servant will allow them to traverse to your class and thus you are helping them or are you instead throwing bread to pigeons who if you ceased to do so would just fly away in search of new crumbs? Ultimately my view depends on the planned long term result of your actions and your argument is for the short term results inconsequential of the long term and we will find some common ground but the long term picture is much more important to me.
Your third point is also silly. You assume people doing whatever work offered want to do that without realizing that perhaps they would prefer to be the people doing your job and providing the opportunities you provide to others. Its really strange because I think most people doing it would aspire to not be at your position but to be better and to be more supportive but than if they attain it they usually don't regardless of their stated intentions.
People are just people. If you look at america though you will see who is control and their loyalties do not lie with the people but they lie with profit and with globalization. The power in america is being lost to profit of america and the most profit to be made is not here. Sure hiring a maid is better than working at foxconn and making iPads and you are paying them more to boot so pat yourself on the back.
I clean my own house. I lysol, dust, vacuum, make the beds, do the laundry, bathe the kids, cut the grass and if the roof is leaking I will fix it myself but if it needs to be replaced I will hire contractors who know how to do that and do it well and do it a fair cost. That means every person fixing my roof is insured and has health care and is making what I make an hour. Their going to spend 3 days working with 10 people than that is month worth of a pay and I will pay a months worth of pay if I know they are being paid like I am. If they are not than why support that?
This is where you might start rationalizing but ultimately I think everyone should contribute to society and they should do so in the way they are best able to. I think that contribution is directed and controlled by a few people able to recognize that talent and who seek to control it and direct it for their direct benefit and share some of that benefit with the people they are exploiting.
You know, just because you argue second, doesn't make your points any more rational. I think one reason you're not getting through to people, is this incredibly snidey and patronizing tone you magically weave into your responses. Why are my arguments really so "silly"? And more importantly, what makes YOU think that your arguments are really anything but ridiculous.
You're right, my first point was against the OP, which was fitting with my comment "From the OP until now".
As for the rest of your point, the major underlying flaw that I see in it is your gross generalization on the "guilty parties" as you evidently think of them as. Who says that it's only billionaires and the ultra rich who hire servants? Who says that hiring servants is always a full time thing? Your "nuanced" argument is nothing more than anti-capitalist rambling, which is fine if that's what we're talking about.
Me hiring a domestic worker does not make me a proponent or a supporter of a defined class (or even caste) system. Why would you assume that it does? If I twist my ankle while out running, and need someone to mow the lawn for a week, why shouldn't I pay someone else to do it for me? Your view on this is that "hiring servants" is only something done by ultra rich snobs who look down on the lowly workers as nothing more than a source of cheap labour. Why would you hold such an over-generalized and polarized view? I don't make that much money but I still use some of the money I have to hire people to do jobs for me that I either don't like doing or don't have the energy to do. And if there's someone willing to do those jobs then why shouldn't I pay them to do it? You can't just say "people have different ideas on fair compensation" and "you are just rationalizing" to brush aside my argument. The way I see it, you are the one using ill-founded arguments to rationalize YOUR point of view.
Hiring someone to do domestic work does not automatically mean you believe in there being such a thing as a lower class than you. For most people, it's just hiring someone to do something you either can't do, or don't really want to. But in your eyes, all people who do it are the same, unless they offer health insurance and a generous pension. Could you be any more unrealistic? And as I mention somewhere else in this post, not something we ever need to think about in Western Europe.
You seem to making statements against the super rich, against a class system, but that's not REALLY what this argument should be about. It's a perfectly basic premise. Me hiring a guy to come mow my lawn is no different from you hiring someone to come fix your roof. Are you telling me you'll actually ask a company if they give healthcare, pension, insurance etc before you agree to use them? If you do then good for you, but if we're talking about some guy coming to mow my lawn one day while I can barely walk, then is that REALLY something I have to think about? I'm not hiring the guy full time. You come from a society that for some reason doesn't believe in socialized health care. I on the other hand do. It's not really something we need to think about in Western Europe. So excuse me if I just want to pay someone to help me out.
Also, I would do my best to avoid hiring people who didn't really want the job, because the likelihood is that they won't do a good job on it. So what if you clean your own house and mow your lawn? I work really hard and don't want to have to do those things if I can avoid it. I have people willing to do it for me for a price, why shouldn't I accept? You still can't really tell me why I shouldn't say yes. You just keep telling me that I'm perpetuating some kind of moral evil against the working classes. You're painting EVERYONE as some kind of heartless billionaire exploiter. oiling the wheels of their profit making with peasant blood! Why on EARTH would you think that that's what most people are doing? That's utter nonsense.
