Setting The Bible Reader Straight

[sooda]

So you still don't believe that the Hebrew there does not mean birds only?

Its not science.. they are morality tales.

 

[YoursTrue]

My dearest friend flew a Golden Eagle so I got to fly a couple times a week for years and years. Its thrilling.

I've made 50 trips across the Atlantic commercially. When I was a kid the pilot would invite us into the cockpit for a Coca Cola..

I LOVE to fly.. and I agree that Jesus couldn't see the Roman empire.

As has been stated, the whole world does not have to be literal in the literal sense.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Not at all. The wise in God's eyes are those who believe and follow his Word *PSALMS 107:42-43; PROVERBS 3:35; PROVERBS 14:6; PROVERBS 10:8; . According to the scriptures the fool says in his heart there is no God *PSALMS 14:1

Yes-- if a plain fool easily sees there is no god? A wise man *knows* there is, according to the silly bible.

Of course-- there's a vast gulf between actual Knowing, and Faith-- which the bible absolutely demands of it's worshipers.

Sad, really-- with Faith, you can believe in anything. Including Universe-Creating Pixies.

It would seem that Faith isn't a Path to Knowing.

 

[sooda]

As has been stated, the whole world does not have to be literal in the literal sense.

LOLOL.. I doubt Jesus could see 20 miles so its a rather large exaggeration... literal or otherwise.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

No problem

ISAIAH 40:17-25
[17], All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
[18], To whom then will you liken God? or what likeness will you compare to him?
[19], The workman melts a graven image, and the goldsmith spreads it over with gold, and casts silver chains.
[20], He that is so impoverished that he has no oblation chooses a tree that will not rot; he seeks to him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved.
[21], Have you not known? have you not heard? has it not been told you from the beginning? have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?
[22], It is he that sits on the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in:
[23], That brings the princes to nothing; he makes the judges of the earth as vanity.
[24], Yes, they shall not be planted; yes, they shall not be sown: yes, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow on them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.
[25], To whom then will you liken me, or shall I be equal? said the Holy One.

The scriptures say that God sits, as a judge or governor upon his throne, upon the circle of the earth; or, above the circle; far above this round earth, even in the highest heavens; from whence he looketh down upon the earth, where men appear to him like grasshoppers. He alludes to one that looks down upon the earth below him from some high place. This is the context.

Now please show me a scripture that says that the earth is flat? You cannot can you. If you cannot why do you pretend that the scriptures are saying things that they are not saying?

Your welcome

NOPE. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE. The Circle here-- in HEBREW-- describes a FLAT PLATE.

NOT A BALL. Go ahead-- google Hebrew of this passage-- see if the Hebrew word for "BALL" is EVER used here-- you'll find it is NOT. Plate-- round, FLAT plate is the Hebrew word used.

So sorry-- you could not possibly be more wrong.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You have been shown from the scriptures why your interpretation of them is in error. You are free to believe or not believe. According to the scriptures we all answer to God come judgment day. That time however will be too late for many. Yikes

Proof that the bible is NOT from a god? Is the fact that it would appear (according to YOU) to require someone LIKE YOU to "explain" that the word's do not mean what is written.

Indeed-- according to YOU, the words mean the exact opposite!

Weird. it's as if the Bible were written 1000's of years ago, by ancient superstitious bronze-age goat herders who had no idea where the sun went at night, or something.

Instead of an ... All Knowing, ALL CARING, ALL LOVING "God". ....

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

The bible is not wrong. You are and here is why...

1. The actual mustard plant being referred to in the scriptures is unknown.

THAT ONLY MAKES IT 100000 TIMES WORSE! Sheesh.

IT means that if there is a god behind the bible? SAID GOD DOES NOT GIVE A RAT'S A*** TO BE SURE THE BIBLE REMAINS RELEVANT AND CLEAR.

The exact OPPOSITE of a book allegedly "divine"...!

 

[YoursTrue]

LOLOL.. I doubt Jesus could see 20 miles so its a rather large exaggeration... literal or otherwise.

Since the whole world, it is said, to be under the control of the Devil, no, sorry, it makes sense that he showed Jesus the "whole world."

 

[YoursTrue]

Its not science.. they are morality tales.

So you still don't believe that the Hebrew there does not mean birds only?

 

[PearlSeeker]

Was Jesus really trying to teach those people botanics? Turning and turning around words and licencia poetica but failing to seek meaning and essence. "Seeing they may see and not perceive."

 

[sojourner]

During Jesus’ time on earth (28–30 CE), the Roman Empire was at its prime, covering all of the known world at that time

If the texts are “God’s Words,” why would God be restrained to what the people “knew?” Isn’t God omniscient? Why would God print a lie?

Seems you do not believe it

Seems you didn’t study Hebrew in Seminary...

If God made the world according to the scriptures. What makes you think God cannot control what happens in it?

Does God break God’s laws or promises? Aren’t natural laws part of those laws and promises? If not, then how can the Bible honestly say that we can always trust in God and that God is steadfast? Is God lying? The God of your fantasy-bible seems abysmally wish-washy. Just sayin’.

 

[sojourner]

The scripture only says he was taken to the highest part of a mountain and shown the kingdoms of the world. During Jesus’ time on earth (28–30 CE), the Roman Empire was at its prime, covering all of the known world at that time, from Lusitania (ie, Portugal) and North Africa in the west to Mesopotamia (ie, Iraq) in the east, including Judea, which, for nearly a century, had lain under the mastery of Rome, as well as Gaul (ie, France), Greece and Egypt, the both of them having lost their own renowned empires long before the Roman Republic

Is this map the whole world? No. It’s basically the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire is only “the whole world” in the eyes of the Romans. Is God a Roman? Did God believe that this was the whole world? Was God writing Matthew to only the Romans? Do you believe this to be the whole world? If not, do you know more than God about God’s creation?

Wait, you said this was the “known world.” Did God not know about God’s people in the Americas at that time? Don’t they “count?”

 

[sojourner]

There are some things that are poetic, or metaphorical in expression. There are other things in the Bible that are written as figurative and not literal.

Tell that to the ones here who insist that these are “God’s words.”

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Since the whole world, it is said, to be under the control of the Devil, no, sorry, it makes sense that he showed Jesus the "whole world."

Nope. Not even a little. The Americas-- North, Central and South? Had never heard of your Jesus character. And they were invisible from "a high place", being on the literal opposite side of the planet.

Since, by definition, they had never heard of Jesus? They were Satan's -- because you give all the REAL power to your obvious favorite, Satan, who can, according to you, control people even if they do not believe in him!

In contrast to Jesus who can only convince people, if they are under severe emotional stress, or having been brainwashed from infancy...

The entire story shows how much of a FAIL the bible really is.

 

[sojourner]

No, it doesn't. There is nothing to conclude from that statement that the earth was thought of as flat.

I guess you failed to actually read the post and do your geometry. Let me reiterate:

The sky is referred to as Raqiya. That word means “a hammered bowl.” A hammered bowl of sky could ONLY cover a disc-shaped earth, not an oblate spheroid. Therefore, the writers conceptualized such a disc-shaped earth, since that’s how they understood the sky.

This is completely compatible with other, earlier mythic accounts of the earth, from which the Genesis account was listed. It agrees with geometry. It concurs with literary criticism, and it matches the understanding of the surrounding cultures.

You’re making excuses that do nothing other than demean the integrity of the texts.

 

[sojourner]

That was the known kingdoms of the earth at that time. You did not read what you were responding to did you

Known to whom? God, whom you claim to have written the Bible?

 

[3rdAngel]

Known to whom? God, whom you claim to have written the Bible?

Where have I ever said God wrote the bible. This is you not telling the truth

 

[3rdAngel]

Is this map the whole world? No. It’s basically the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire is only “the whole world” in the eyes of the Romans. Is God a Roman? Did God believe that this was the whole world? Was God writing Matthew to only the Romans? Do you believe this to be the whole world? If not, do you know more than God about God’s creation?

Wait, you said this was the “known world.” Did God not know about God’s people in the Americas at that time? Don’t they “count?”

This was only posted earlier to show that the known world was that controlled by the Roman empire in the days of JESUS controlled the kingdoms of the known world in the days of JESUS nothing more. Known world is in reference to the people in JESUS day not in reference to God

 

[3rdAngel]

If the texts are “God’s Words,” why would God be restrained to what the people “knew?” Isn’t God omniscient? Why would God print a lie?

The bible is God's Word and God does not print lies. Perhaps it is your understanding of what the scriptures are saying that is in error? Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it. Ignoring it does not make it disappear.

Does God break God’s laws or promises? Aren’t natural laws part of those laws and promises? If not, then how can the Bible honestly say that we can always trust in God and that God is steadfast? Is God lying? The God of your fantasy-bible seems abysmally wish-washy. Just sayin’.

God does not lie. God can do anything he wants he is God and not man. He does not brake moral laws as they represent his character. Natural laws in nature God can change at any time according to his will and no, natural laws are not God's promises except that the world would not be destroyed by a flood again. Look at you my friend, you call yourself a christian but you do not believe God's Word. How can you be a christian and not believe God's Word? Sounds like a contradiction

 

[3rdAngel]

Merry Christmas to you as well. And think about proving Bigfoot and why you don't have to.

Why do you think I need to prove big foot? I do not know if he exists or does not exist neither do I care either way. On the other hand it is you that has come to a religious forum claiming you do not believe in God but not able to prove that there is no God, not me