Sex before marriage?????

[JJ50]

They are wrong now, but were not wrong at all times.

Well they should have been.

 

[Prestor John]

Obama was the best president the US has ever had, far better than the dangerous clown who is now in charge.

This is hilarious.

He was one of the very worst Presidents ever. If not the actual worst, he is in the top 5 worst.

L-O-L

 

[ecco]

They are wrong now, but were not wrong at all times.

Do you mean that people once approved of raping 4-year-old boys?

 

[ecco]

This is hilarious.

He was one of the very worst Presidents ever. If not the actual worst, he is in the top 5 worst.

L-O-L

Why?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Rape and paedophilia are WRONG, homosexuality is as normal as being left handed, which some thought was wrong too.

What do you mean "wrong"?

 

[BilliardsBall]

As expected, straw man after straw man. Why do you associate rape and paedophilia with sex, never mind pre marital sex.

No abstinence is far from a health choice, do you want me to list the health benefits of sex? Which far outweigh personal choice.

Sexual frustration arises when one isn't satisfied with their level of sexual activity, it can lead to anxiety, emotional distress, insomnia and low self esteem.

Nope, not moved anywhere and once again, an irrelevant straw man

So what are the health issues that arise from sexual dissatisfaction? They must needs outweigh STDs and unplanned pregnancy. Please list them here:

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[ChristineM]

So what are the health issues that arise from sexual dissatisfaction? They must needs outweigh STDs and unplanned pregnancy. Please list them here:

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Will suicide do? That outweighs stds anytime. Yes anxiery caused by sexual frustration may result in suicide

And what i said was "No abstinence is far from a health choice, do you want me to list the health benefits of sex? Which far outweigh personal choice."

So as i said before you tried to twist my words
Some of the benefits of sex

• Get Less Colds & Boost Your Immune System. More sex equals fewer sick days. ...
• Boost Your Libido. Believe it or not, the best antidote for a waning libido is to have sex! ...
• Improve Women's Bladder Control. ...
• Lower Your Blood Pressure. ...
• Counts as Exercise. ...
• Lower Heart Attack Risk. ...
• Lessen Pain. ...
• May Reduce Prostate Cancer Risk.

Note the last point, several researchers have suggested abstinence from sex in males may be a risk factor for prostate cancet

 

[Prestor John]

Why?

All kinds of reasons.

His apology tour. The economy taking a dive and he claimed that it would never rise again. His adding to the fuel on the fire of racial tensions. His failed and deceitful Obamacare. Selling our uranium to Russian. That fiasco with the guns he put in Mexico (forgot what that was called).

There's more, but my dog is crying. I'll try to add more later.

 

[ecco]

He was one of the very worst Presidents ever. If not the actual worst, he is in the top 5 worst.

Why?

All kinds of reasons.

His apology tour. The economy taking a dive and he claimed that it would never rise again.

The economy crashed on Bush's watch. He succeeded in pulling the Country out of the second-worst recession in US history.

That's easily documented.


Now show where Obama claimed that it [the economy] would never rise again.

 

[Trailblazer]

Which of those categorically stated that there is no sex in Hell?
How do the authors know this?

I just took a quick look at The Afterlife Revealed. The author previously wrote a book showing why he believed that psychic mediums were really able to communicate with the dead.

Is that part of your belief system?
Is that how you know there is no sex in Hell?

I know there is no sex in hell because we have no physical bodies in hell and physical bodies are necessary for sex. It is a Baha’i belief that when the physical body dies it remains dead, and this is confirmed by the other books I listed, particularly Heaven and Hell:

421. When the body is no longer able to perform the bodily functions in the natural world that correspond to the spirit’s thoughts and affections, which the spirit has from the spiritual world, man is said to die. This takes place when the respiration of the lungs and the beatings of the heart cease. But the man does not die; he is merely separated from the bodily part that was of use to him in the world, while the man himself continues to live. It is said that the man himself continues to live since man is not a man because of his body but because of his spirit, for it is the spirit that thinks in man, and thought with affection is what constitutes man. Evidently, then, the death of man is merely his passing from one world into another. And this is why in the Word in its internal sense “death” signifies resurrection and continuation of life.

Heaven and Hell, p. 351

This is a fascinating book, I suggest you read it. You can read it online or order it on Amazon. I converted the pdf to a Word document and copy/pasted from it, but I also ordered the paperback. I think everyone should read it, both atheists and believers. Any believers who think they are getting a free ride to heaven by believing in their religion are in for a rude awakening.

If you want to know about hell and what it is like there, that is described in the book Private Dowding, which is a small book available to read online. Hell is not a place you want to be. I cannot even imagine anything worse than landing in hell and having to live there forever. That is probably what motivates me to spend most of my time posting to atheists. I do not think people have to become Baha’is to stay out of hell, but there are other requirements. Those are explained in the book Heaven and Hell.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

So different churches and different religions do different things.

However , the Evangelical conservative Christian church many not all have a certain values before marriage rules. I am not picking on Christianity, there are probably other religions who have stricter rules.So if anyone from other religions have certain view points don't be afraid to share them.

It was popular to have Christian parents for while back to pick out the spouse for their child. Also many only date someone if they are going to marry them. Dating around is not accepted.

Many many Christians do not believe ins ex before marriage , and someone do not even believe in touching before marriage!

Christians say statistics prove the loner you wait on sex the better your sex life will be, this maybe true statistics I don't know.

I will say this for me, noway am I getting involved with a man who does not want to touch me before marriage nope!I think having sex before marriage is a good thing for me. I am not waiting and I want to be able to trust my spouse that we are right for each other in bed as well as out.

So whats you belief set on sex before marriage and also how you date? By dating I mean, is dating around ok? Do you select your child's spouse? Do you just date to marry only? If you don't have sex before marriage are you aloud to hold hands hug kiss that type of thing? What about oral sex or 3rd base?

This is something that Jews disagree on. I speak here for myself. I'm heavily influenced by my years as an Orthodox Jew, although I am no longer in that camp.

Sex is extremely powerful, volatile. There are cultures on this earth where there is but one reason for murder, and that is rage over someone having illicit sex with a woman, whether it is adultery or rape or some other unsanctioned union. Hearts are broken and lives torn apart in the breakups that take place after sexual unions are introduced -- look how much easier it is to return to a state of friendship if one has never had sex with the other, than if the relationship has become sexual. And then there are the lives of the children born on the sacrificial altar of unmarried sex. In all societies, such children (no matter if they are stigmatized or not) are most likely to be raised in poverty.

Marriage is the societal understanding, either by living together or some ritual activity, that denotes who has the right to have sex with whom. It limits the sort of misunderstandings that occur otherwise, and introduces the sort of commitment needed for the most optimal environment for the raising of children.

Psychologically, there is something nice about waiting until your birthday before opening your presents. It makes that day special. In the same way, there is something emotionally rewarding about saving intercourse for marriage.

I realize that many of those who aspire to this don't make it to the wedding night. But at least they try. I think that there is a big difference between a couple who "jump the gun" than those who commit adultery, or who have sex without any intent to get married at all. In the former instance, they are essentially going by the plan, but messing up on the timeline. In the other two cases, they are tossing out the plan.

And I also realize that there is a lot of stuff in between gazing fondly into each others eyes and intercourse. Where a couple draws the line, and when during the relationship they draw that line, I choose to leave up to them.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Do you mean that people once approved of raping 4-year-old boys?

Not 4-year olds, but 15-year olds were game. See what the priests and sport coaches have done.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Will suicide do? That outweighs stds anytime. Yes anxiery caused by sexual frustration may result in suicide

And what i said was "No abstinence is far from a health choice, do you want me to list the health benefits of sex? Which far outweigh personal choice."

So as i said before you tried to twist my words
Some of the benefits of sex

• Get Less Colds & Boost Your Immune System. More sex equals fewer sick days. ...
• Boost Your Libido. Believe it or not, the best antidote for a waning libido is to have sex! ...
• Improve Women's Bladder Control. ...
• Lower Your Blood Pressure. ...
• Counts as Exercise. ...
• Lower Heart Attack Risk. ...
• Lessen Pain. ...
• May Reduce Prostate Cancer Risk.

Note the last point, several researchers have suggested abstinence from sex in males may be a risk factor for prostate cancet

1) Help me understand. You are sure the risk from sexless suicide is greater than the threat of STDs and unplanned pregnancy in a sexually profligate world? We haven't gone further, even, to talk about shacking up and the divorce rate...

2) The benefits of sex are not found elsewhere? We can't get adequate bladder control, immune system help, prostate system help, or adequate exercise without sexual activity?

 

[ChristineM]

1) Help me understand. You are sure the risk from sexless suicide is greater than the threat of STDs and unplanned pregnancy in a sexually profligate world? We haven't gone further, even, to talk about shacking up and the divorce rate...

2) The benefits of sex are not found elsewhere? We can't get adequate bladder control, immune system help, prostate system help, or adequate exercise without sexual activity?

Let me get this right? You would prefer an unnatural death than an std? Actually i have, i have shown the statistics do not favour the highly religious bible belt area of the US.

I am sure they are, do you exercise daily and get routine PSA blood tests? Your cure for female bladder control is what?

 

[ecco]

I know there is no sex in hell because we have no physical bodies in hell and physical bodies are necessary for sex. It is a Baha’i belief that when the physical body dies it remains dead, and this is confirmed by the other books I listed, particularly Heaven and Hell:

So, it is a Bahai belief. Then why did you find it necessary to post links to other publications?

Heaven and Hell, p. 351

This is a fascinating book, I suggest you read it. You can read it online or order it on Amazon.

You keep posting links. When I look at the linked material and ask questions, you do not respond. You just post more links.

Why did you not respond to my comment about psychics?

I just took a quick look at The Afterlife Revealed. The author previously wrote a book showing why he believed that psychic mediums were really able to communicate with the dead.

Is that part of your belief system?​

That is probably what motivates me to spend most of my time posting to atheists. I do not think people have to become Baha’is to stay out of hell, but there are other requirements. Those are explained in the book Heaven and Hell.

If you seriously believe that you can convince me that your brand of superstitions will convince me, you are sadly mistaken. Once someone has come to accept the beauty of nature, including the finality of death, one very seldom returns to the fold of make-believe.

If you are interested in conversions, you would better spend your time trying to convert Baptists or Mormons. They are still in a gullible state of mind.

 

[ecco]

This is something that Jews disagree on. I speak here for myself. I'm heavily influenced by my years as an Orthodox Jew, although I am no longer in that camp.

Sex is extremely powerful, volatile. There are cultures on this earth where there is but one reason for murder, and that is rage over someone having illicit sex with a woman, whether it is adultery or rape or some other unsanctioned union. Hearts are broken and lives torn apart in the breakups that take place after sexual unions are introduced -- look how much easier it is to return to a state of friendship if one has never had sex with the other, than if the relationship has become sexual. And then there are the lives of the children born on the sacrificial altar of unmarried sex. In all societies, such children (no matter if they are stigmatized or not) are most likely to be raised in poverty.

Marriage is the societal understanding, either by living together or some ritual activity, that denotes who has the right to have sex with whom. It limits the sort of misunderstandings that occur otherwise, and introduces the sort of commitment needed for the most optimal environment for the raising of children.

Psychologically, there is something nice about waiting until your birthday before opening your presents. It makes that day special. In the same way, there is something emotionally rewarding about saving intercourse for marriage.

I realize that many of those who aspire to this don't make it to the wedding night. But at least they try. I think that there is a big difference between a couple who "jump the gun" than those who commit adultery, or who have sex without any intent to get married at all. In the former instance, they are essentially going by the plan, but messing up on the timeline. In the other two cases, they are tossing out the plan.

And I also realize that there is a lot of stuff in between gazing fondly into each others eyes and intercourse. Where a couple draws the line, and when during the relationship they draw that line, I choose to leave up to them.

I have found that Jewish women are more open to pre(extra)marital sex than Catholic women. Yes, that is anecdotal.

 

[Muffled]

I believe the Bible in general calls sex outside of marriage confusion. Every time one has an encounter of any kind with the opposite sex the heart is involved. That it isn't always easy to recognize.

I believe for instance, I remember the girl I kissed first. There is a fondness in my heart for her that will never go away. Was that likely to divide my attentions from my wife. Not usually but then my wife was either a better kisser or I was simply attracted to her. I am pretty sure the latter is true.

 

[Muffled]

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Sex before marriage should be an imperative.

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I believe you must be right because you are only marrying the body after all. Without sex you are just friends.

 

[Muffled]

I'm going to end up at the wrong of God on a lot of things when I die. One of those things is that I'll be having sex before marriage.

I believe you will cause your self irreparable harm but God does forgive.

 

[Trailblazer]

So, it is a Bahai belief. Then why did you find it necessary to post links to other publications?

Because the other books confirm the Baha’i beliefs, as I said.

You keep posting links. When I look at the linked material and ask questions, you do not respond. You just post more links.

Why did you not respond to my comment about psychics?

Here are your former questions and my answers

ecco: Which of those categorically stated that there is no sex in Hell?
How do the authors know this?

TB: By the process of deductive reasoning we can know there is no sex in hell since there are no physical bodies in hell and physical bodies are necessary to have sex. The authors know this because they had or are writing about other who had communications with those who are in the spiritual world.

ecco: I just took a quick look at The Afterlife Revealed. The author previously wrote a book showing why he believed that psychic mediums were really able to communicate with the dead. Is that part of your belief system?

TB: Psychic mediums communicating with the dead is not part of my belief system. Abdu’l-Baha acknowledged that this was possible but he discouraged is from trying to contact the spiritual world.

ecco: Is that how you know there is no sex in Hell?

TB: No, as I said, I know that because I know from the Baha’i Faith beliefs that there will be no physical bodies in the spiritual world, either heaven or hell, so there cannot be any sex.

If you seriously believe that you can convince me that your brand of superstitions will convince me, you are sadly mistaken. Once someone has come to accept the beauty of nature, including the finality of death, one very seldom returns to the fold of make-believe.

If you are interested in conversions, you would better spend your time trying to convert Baptists or Mormons. They are still in a gullible state of mind.

I am not looking for conversions. I am just trying to help as many people as I can avoid hell and make it to heaven. If people want to blow me off and not take me seriously I don’t care. I will know I did the best that I can and that is all I can do.

What do you think I get for myself for spending all my free time posting to atheists?

Answer: nothing. I could be of sunning myself on a beach somewhere or traveling around the world, given my financial status. Instead I am on forums mostly posting to atheists. There is no incentive for me other than that I care about people.

What do you think my Christian coworkers are doing this weekend?

Answer: They are having fun, going on hikes and boating.

One of my Christian coworkers believes that everyone who does not accept Jesus as Savior is going to hell, so by all rights she should be out looking for converts, but she does not give a damn if everyone is damned, all she cares about is herself and her immediate family. I cannot live that selfish way. According to the book Heaven and Hell, she and many other Christians will not be going to heaven, but that is another story, maybe for a new thread.