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Sex workers?

servant1

Active Member
Is it amoral to see a sex worker? I think it's amoral to pick up sex workers who work on the streets and the trucker stops **mod edit** But if you go to an escort business where they don't hire underage people, they are on the up and up is that ok?

How do we know they have not been kidnapped? **mod edit**
1Cor 6:9-11--Fornicators( sex out of marriage) will not inherit Gods kingdom.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
For those im talking about it is their choice. It's a business transaction, if everyone follows the rules both parties leave with what they want. I cannot argue with that.
It's when it is not their choice that i agree with you.
I don't follow the view that consent magically makes something moral. There's people who agree to be murdered, and that has happened. So that alone doesn't determine morality in my view.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
And I'm saying I don't view sex work as moral or ethical. People use their free will to do all sorts of things that aren't good.

That is up to you. I don't see sex as immoral so long as all involved parties are of age and consenting. As for ethical, it's a business transaction, someone has something to sell, someone else wants to buy it.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love. ☮︎
And totally useless to anyone who doesn't believe the bible the bible is relevant in todays world.

How do these judgmental Christians see the speck of dust in other people's eyes when there is a plank in their own? In my opinion, if they focused more of their attention on the plank in their own eye, then they wouldn't have the time to point out the speck of dust in the eyes of those they pompously judge.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
How do we know they have not been kidnapped? Well, I had a sex worker, and he was my friend gave me a discount, I paid 75 dollars for 45 minutes and after I paid for the motel and gas it was around 150.
That's probably a violation of forum rules. I mean, we can't even talk about smoking weed on this board, so I doubt talking about getting a hooker will fly. Just saying.

As an aside, haven't you admitted to having a sex addiction in your journal??? If so, that's probably not a good thing for you, to be doing that and thinking of it too much. Not trying to make it personal, and I'm not trying to be mean. Just concerned. You can ignore it if you want.
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
If there were consent on both sides, there would be no need for money to change hands.

People agree to have sex with each other all the time, and do so. No problem, as long as they are of age.
But if it takes money to gain consent, that is not consent. That is coercion. Honest consent is freely given. Coerced consent is not freely given. And is not consensual. It’s simply a purchased non-objection.

I pay some ladies every two weeks to clean my house. I don't like housework and have some money to spare. They are prepared to do housework (I have no idea how they actually feel about it, they seem cheerful enough) and need money. We all seem to be perfectly happy with the arrangement.

Let's examine the idea that I pay them to have sex with me instead. I don't, for various reasons, none of which are moral. I don't get sex from any other women, I'm old and unattractive, and I miss it very much. If our approach to the arrangement was the same as for housework, how does it differ?

It seems that, according to you, as I can't get sex from women that are attracted to me, then I'm doomed to an unwanted celibacy and they are shut off from a possible source of income.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I don't get sex from any other women, I'm old and unattractive, and I miss it very much.
Why not find an old widow at a bridge game or whatever? I don't understand people who say it's so hard just to find a sex partner. It's not. Most of that is in your head. Sex is a dime a dozen, especially if you're desperate and your standards aren't high. What's hard is finding a person who actually wants to commit and treats people right. That's regardless of age.
It seems that, according to you, as I can't get sex from women that are attracted to me, then I'm doomed to an unwanted celibacy and they are shut off from a possible source of income.
Sounds incel-ish.
 
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Whatever consenting adults do together is no concern of mine. That doesn't mean I would do it but I really don't care what consenting adults do.
How very odd. You spend a lot of time telling us how uninterested you are in things (like your post on the election), but you insist on letting us know about it.

If you don't care, why are you engaging?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
For those im talking about it is their choice. It's a business transaction, if everyone follows the rules both parties leave with what they want. I cannot argue with that.
It's when it is not their choice that i agree with you.
Often drug abuse is what gets them started in that business. My housemate's son's girlfriend would "escort" for both of them at times. He was into his own illegal activities and when he was busted she asked me if I could hold her money for her that she was earning towards his bail. She did not quite trust herself or her living conditions to keep it herself and couldn't trust any of her druggy friends. They both got better for a while, but unfortunately both have relapsed and went their separate ways. Each one blames the other for the relapse. They may both be right.

She was like the ladies that you mentioned. Making money in a way that she could not have done if she was working a real job. I hear conflicting stories about how she is making money now. Would they have stayed clean if they had each gone their own way? I do not know. Prison made them both sober for a few years.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
If prostitution is legal in any particular country and the assumption that a contract is made - sex for money - and where both participants are fully aware of this and adults, then I see few issues. As long as those providing the service have not been coerced into such, are of legal age, and this is their free choice to do so. Simply because of the notion of free will and autonomy. But they should have adequate knowledge as to what this will entail when making such a choice.

Many sex-workers will likely travel to other countries simply because they will earn more than in their native country. The numbers who have actually been sex-trafficked might be hard to obtain, given that they might say whatever depending upon the circumstances. Those who might have been drawn or coerced into sex-work is a more difficult problem, especially if this started when they were underage. In this latter case then they almost certainly will have been exploited and hence could be seen to not have acted freely - thus invalidating any free choice argument. And of course if many are coerced as adults as to such then this too should be seen as being exploitative.

But I should add, resources should be available to discourage any from taking up such work or as to supporting any who do.
 
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Riders

Well-Known Member
Often drug abuse is what gets them started in that business. My housemate's son's girlfriend would "escort" for both of them at times. He was into his own illegal activities and when he was busted she asked me if I could hold her money for her that she was earning towards his bail. She did not quite trust herself or her living conditions to keep it herself and couldn't trust any of her druggy friends. They both got better for a while, but unfortunately both have relapsed and went their separate ways. Each one blames the other for the relapse. They may both be right.

She was like the ladies that you mentioned. Making money in a way that she could not have done if she was working a real job. I hear conflicting stories about how she is making money now. Would they have stayed clean if they had each gone their own way? I do not know. Prison made them both sober for a few years.
Thats sad. there're too many drug addicts who do it to pay for their lifestyle.
 
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