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Sexual Abuse in religion

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
The premise of the post was the false claim that sexual abuse is more common in religious organizations.
The premise of what post, the OP? It was not. The premise was to point out the identified problem of sexual abuse in religious organizations and asking others why they think that sexual abuse occurs in those organizations. It referenced a claimed issue issue in the Mormon organization.

That you read it that way based on your political views is not unsurprising. I did notice when I pointed out that your claim about it being worse in schools was incorrect due to a flawed comparison, you did not respond back.
 

KW

Well-Known Member
The premise of what post, the OP? It was not. The premise was to point out the identified problem of sexual abuse in religious organizations and asking others why they think that sexual abuse occurs in those organizations. It referenced a claimed issue issue in the Mormon organization.

That you read it that way based on your political views is not unsurprising. I did notice when I pointed out that your claim about it being worse in schools was incorrect due to a flawed comparison, you did not respond back.

I did respond with data. The premise is false.

It is part of an ongoing attack by the left. This attack has been underway for over a century.

Read the article in my last post.
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
NEA specialist Paul Haubner, tells us, "The schools cannot allow parents to influence the kind of values-education their children receive in school; . that is what is wrong with those who say there is a universal system of values. Our goals are incompatible with theirs. We must change their values."

Chester M. Pierce, M.D., Professor of Education and Psychiatry at Harvard, had this to say: "Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our Founding Fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It's up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well - by creating the international child of the future."

Some politicians agree. Former Nebraska state senator Peter Hoagland said: "Fundamentalist parents have no right to indoctrinate their children in their beliefs. We are preparing their children for the year 2000 and life in a global one-world society and those children will not fit in."

In the Humanist Magazine, Jan./Feb 1983, John Dunphy wrote: "The battle for mankind's future must be waged and won in the public school classroom . The classroom must and will become the arena of conflict between the old and the new . the rotting corpse of Christianity and the new faith of humanism."

Why Our Schools Teach Socialism -- September 2001 Education Reporter
A few cherry-picked opinions of a few individuals is not a goals document. Thank you for that though. It was very helpful.

We probably better get back to the actual premise of the thread and leave politics for more appropriates places in the forum.
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
I did respond with data. The premise is false.

It is part of an ongoing attack by the left. This attack has been underway for over a century.
You are wrong on the premise, so it cannot be false. You did provide some data. It did not support your claim.

Yes, I understand that is what you believe.
 

KW

Well-Known Member
A few cherry-picked opinions of a few individuals is not a goals document. Thank you for that though. It was very helpful.

We probably better get back to the actual premise of the thread and leave politics for more appropriates places in the forum.


You don’t like reality. Got it.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
You can find somebody saying anything on the internet.
Indeed. For instance, here you are. On the internet.

That’s has nothing to do with what the major religions teach.
Funny: your personal opinion is "what the major religions teach," while everyone else is just "saying anything on the internet." o_O

A bit full of yourself, aren't you?
 

KW

Well-Known Member
Indeed. For instance, here you are. On the internet.


Funny: your personal opinion is "what the major religions teach," while everyone else is just "saying anything on the internet." o_O

A bit full of yourself, aren't you?


Feel free to show me where God is referred to as She in the Koran or Bible.

Good luck.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
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God must be both loving and just to be worthy of worship - equal representation for all races and genders = a gender neutral being.

Equal representation would mean that all who are equally good have equal position. I don't think all are equally good for all positions. And in any case, I think positions should go by persons abilities, not by gender or race. And I think the whole idea of races is wrong and only something that racists use.
 

idea

Question Everything
You don't dictate reality to God.

You can't determine what is justice based on our tiny amount of time living on earth. God has eternity to reach a just outcome.

Gender neutral is not consistent with the revelation of God in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or Hinduism.

Everyone else is sexist, so ... Everyone else is racist so .. everyone else are pedophiles, abusive, rapists so.... is this the argument?
 

KW

Well-Known Member
Everyone else is sexist, so ... Everyone else is racist so .. everyone else are pedophiles, abusive, rapists so.... is this the argument?

No.

It's just that God's revelation to man is not gender neutral in any of the major religions.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
No.

It's just that God's revelation to man is not gender neutral in any of the major religions.
Hmm, I wonder if that may be due to the fact that they were written by ignorant men at a time of male dominance . . . Nah .. . couldn't have anything to do with it.
 

KW

Well-Known Member
Hmm, I wonder if that may be due to the fact that they were written by ignorant men at a time of male dominance . . . Nah .. . couldn't have anything to do with it.

It definitely could have something to do with it, or, it may not.

My post is accurate though.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Our revelations of God in all major religions are not gender neutral. That's what evidence is. Evidence is not proof.
I don't think that you understand the concept of evidence. Evidence of what? That God is evil and sexist? It is rather hard to draw any other conclusion.
 

KW

Well-Known Member
I don't think that you understand the concept of evidence. Evidence of what? That God is evil and sexist? It is rather hard to draw any other conclusion.

The original argument was that God is gender neutral. The evidence doesn't support this argument.
 
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