Sexual Abuse in religion

[KW]

So limiting priests that have homosexual attractions also reduced the number of assaults on females too? I wonder how that works? Or could it be that they are actually doing something now instead of burying it?

No. It was part of the change that led to
the virtual elimination of sex abuse in the Catholic Church. With 1.3 billion members and nearly half a million priests, you will never end all abuse.

 

[KW]

There are other things that are part of that movement away also.

I agree.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is your opinion. Most religions and cultures have always considered homosexual acts as sinful.

Some people today believe that if they desire something, it must be morally acceptable.

This is part of the movement away from God.

It is more than opinion. It is rather easy to show how the Bible fails morally again and again. And no, accepting reality should never have anything to do with moving away from God. But thank you for declaring that your God does not exist.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No. It was part of the change that led to
the virtual elimination of sex abuse in the Catholic Church. With 1.3 billion members and nearly half a million priests, you will never end all abuse.

But that was not what ended the abuse. I did your homework for you and sadly the Catholic church has been discriminating against its own members. Sadly the study that they paid for told them that they were going after the wrong people:

Weeding Out Gays from Seminaries

Second is the notion that the sexual abuse crisis was primarily a question of gays in the priesthood. For one thing, the conflation of homosexuality with pedophilia has been disproven by almost every psychiatrist and psychologist. The studies are too numerous to mention. It was rebutted even by the U.S. bishops own study. ("At this point, we do not find a connection between homosexual identity and the increased likelihood of subsequent abuse from the data that we have right now," said Margaret Smith of the John Jay College of Criminal Justice.) For another, the increasing number of gay priests entering ministry in the past few years, which critics point to as a stain on the priesthood, coincides with a diminution of sexual abuse cases in recent years. For another, the reason that you don’t see any public models of healthy, mature, celibate gay priests to counteract the stereotype of the pedophile gay priest, is that they are forbidden to speak out publicly. Or they are simply afraid.

<bolding mine>

In other words the Catholic's church's "cure" cannot work. The number is down probably more due to policing and the fact that the church is no longer a haven to child abusers.

 

[KW]

But that was not what ended the abuse. I did your homework for you and sadly the Catholic church has been discriminating against its own members. Sadly the study that they paid for told them that they were going after the wrong people:

Weeding Out Gays from Seminaries

Second is the notion that the sexual abuse crisis was primarily a question of gays in the priesthood. For one thing, the conflation of homosexuality with pedophilia has been disproven by almost every psychiatrist and psychologist. The studies are too numerous to mention. It was rebutted even by the U.S. bishops own study. ("At this point, we do not find a connection between homosexual identity and the increased likelihood of subsequent abuse from the data that we have right now," said Margaret Smith of the John Jay College of Criminal Justice.) For another, the increasing number of gay priests entering ministry in the past few years, which critics point to as a stain on the priesthood, coincides with a diminution of sexual abuse cases in recent years. For another, the reason that you don’t see any public models of healthy, mature, celibate gay priests to counteract the stereotype of the pedophile gay priest, is that they are forbidden to speak out publicly. Or they are simply afraid.

<bolding mine>

In other words the Catholic's church's "cure" cannot work. The number is down probably more due to policing and the fact that the church is no longer a haven to child abusers.

That’s the story as told by leftists and homosexual activists.

Truth is not fashion. It doesn’t change.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That’s the story as told by leftists and homosexual activists.

Truth is not fashion. It doesn’t change.

No, that was from the Jesuit Review. a Catholic church publication. The Jesuits are not leftists.

Face it you have no evidence. All you have demonstrated here is hate. And that is not very Christian. Perhaps you are facing some inner guilt. That could be why you are so angry and striking out at the innocent.

 

[KW]

No, that was from the Jesuit Review. a Catholic church publication. The Jesuits are not leftists.

Face it you have no evidence. All you have demonstrated here is hate. And that is not very Christian. Perhaps you are facing some inner guilt. That could be why you are so angry and striking out at the innocent.

If I recommend that you don’t smoke does that mean I hate you?

Most Jesuits are leftists, by the way.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If I recommend that you don’t smoke does that mean I hate you?

Most Jesuits are leftists, by the way.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them "leftists". In fact you have a very weird definition of "leftist". You tend to use it for people that are correct. Jesuits are conservative. But unlike most conservatives today they are also honest.

Hmm, perhaps being honest is leftist to you? I don't know. You have very very odd standards.


Society of Jesus - Wikipedia

 

[1213]

...I know it is a problem in many faiths. Why do you think that is?

I think it would be more right to say it is a problem with many people, not necessary with faiths, unless it is a teaching and rule in the faith. I don't think there is any faith that teaches people to sexually abuse anyone, that is why I think it is wrong to blame faiths for it.

For example Bible says:

but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him that a huge millstone should be hung around his neck, and that he should be sunk in the depths of the sea.
Matt. 18:6

If a Christians goes against that, I think the problem is that he doesn't really believe Jesus nor God and that the person is not faithful to them.

 

[idea]

I think it would be more right to say it is a problem with many people, not necessary with faiths, unless it is a teaching and rule in the faith. I don't think there is any faith that teaches people to sexually abuse anyone, that is why I think it is wrong to blame faiths for it.

For example Bible says:

but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him that a huge millstone should be hung around his neck, and that he should be sunk in the depths of the sea.
Matt. 18:6

If a Christians goes against that, I think the problem is that he doesn't really believe Jesus nor God and that the person is not faithful to them.

Unfortunately the Mormon faith is based in polygamy and child brides - the many polygamous groups in Utah bear witness to the origin, which are hidden to converts.

Unfortunately many faiths follow a male God, male authority, male heirarchies... if racism is abusive, so is sexism.

The preview to the op thread:

 

[Subduction Zone]

Unfortunately the Mormon faith is based in polygamy and child brides - the many polygamous groups in Utah bear witness to the origin, which are hidden to converts.

Unfortunately many faiths follow a male God, male authority, male heirarchies... if racism is abusive, so is sexism.

The preview to the op thread:

It is so tempting to become a Mormon. Then I could not have eight wives instead of only not having one.

 

[1213]

...
Unfortunately many faiths follow a male God, ...

Why do you think that is unfortunate?

 

[idea]

It is so tempting to become a Mormon. Then I could not have eight wives instead of only not having one.

Haha - from the diaries of polygamous families, and from a friend who was 1st son of 1st wife - favored child, polygamy is more of a business deal . Really, just adultery from Mormon history (wives did not know husband was unfaithful) - no love, no partnership, just a competitive jealous mess.

Why do you think that is unfortunate?

God must be both loving and just to be worthy of worship - equal representation for all races and genders = a gender neutral being.

 

[KW]

Haha - from the diaries of polygamous families, and from a friend who was 1st son of 1st wife - favored child, polygamy is more of a business deal . Really, just adultery from Mormon history (wives did not know husband was unfaithful) - no love, no partnership, just a competitive jealous mess.



God must be both loving and just to be worthy of worship - equal representation for all races and genders = a gender neutral being.

You don't dictate reality to God.

You can't determine what is justice based on our tiny amount of time living on earth. God has eternity to reach a just outcome.

Gender neutral is not consistent with the revelation of God in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or Hinduism.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You don't dictate reality to God.

And how lucky we all are to have you here, God's self-appointed spokesperson.

 

[KW]

And how lucky we all are to have you here, God's self-appointed spokesperson.

The arrogance of the left is on display again. Rather than deal with the substance of a post, you resort to personal attacks.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The arrogance of the left is on display again.

... says the person who presumes to speak for God.

Rather than deal with the substance of a post, you resort to personal attacks.

Your post had substance?

 

[KW]

... says the person who presumes to speak for God.


Your post had substance?

Why post something so obviously untrue?

The substance is that all the major religions assign gender to God(or Gods, in the case of Hindus)

 

[Dan From Smithville]

The arrogance of the left is on display again. Rather than deal with the substance of a post, you resort to personal attacks.

I have watched you make every effort to squeeze your politics into this thread, so why pretend you are surprised that you receive responses to those efforts?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Why post something so obviously untrue?

Aww, muffin.

The substance is that all the major religions assign gender to God(or Gods, in the case of Hindus)

I'm sure you're as capable of using Google as I am, so you should have no issue finding the theologians of virtually every monotheistic religion saying things like "God transcends gender."