Sexual Acceptance

[KatNotKathy]

Hahaha we seriously have people admitting to being animal ******* on here. Why haven't we banned these sick *******?

 

[DallasApple]

And one more thing to add: if you have a pet and have it fixed like any responsible pet owner would (I'm working on getting the cat BTW), the animal will not have a sex drive, so it would be abuse because the animal lacks the drive to have sex.
If the animal isn't, then it simple does not know better and is acting on instinct, not passion or love, and is still abuse because the animal is being taken advantage of to be used as a sex toy.

Yeah I have to agree..

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

I mean to me its like saying you will shelter an adult mentally damaged person and then saying having sex with them is ...well "natural" because they have an instinct to "do it".

I guess for some people all they need to do is hump..a body..weather it be a dog or a duck or a brain dead human..

I feel sorry for them..

Love

Dallas

 

[MissAlice]

I'm sorry but I can't tell if Alusky is a troll or not but this is not a sexual orientation, rather it clumps in regards to sexua fetishes. I cannot imagine a human being "being" attracted to animals.

While I have my own personal opinions about it *disgusting*, you are in fact taking advantage of another living creature. That creature may not be able to voice his/her opinion or cognitively understand sex as we do, but that does not mean they are not affected by it.

True story: I had a friend who bred horses. She'd tie the female up so the male could breed her. That poor thing was screaming as if she were being raped, trying to kick him. She was clearly not in the mood. Now while I don't know what goes on in an animal's mind, I could tell the horse was not having fun in fact I think she was in pain. But of course business is business so got keep those stallions popping.

In short, yes you are taking advantage of that dog or whatever.

 

[KatNotKathy]

No seriously if we had somebody here who admitted to being sexually attracted to toddlers would we let them post?

 

[.lava]

No seriously if we had somebody here who admitted to being sexually attracted to toddlers would we let them post?

i think you should ask it on site feed back

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[Circle_One]

Women who have been given the date rape drug cannot consent either. Is it still ok because sex is in their waking instincts?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Women who have been given the date rape drug cannot consent either. Is it still ok because sex is in their waking instincts?

Must be. She said yes, even though she wasn't in the proper state of mind to say yes, and was just going on nothing more than an auto-pilot, but she still said yes.

 

[Alusky]

If anything, she is the one taking advantage of me

I also believe humans can have symbiotic relationships with animals, my dog takes advantage of me when I go on all 4, but in the context of legal consent, a pet owner is as much taking advantage of dogs as some one like me, both cases the animal is not giving legal consent to be a pet or to mate, making both equally wrong. (The exception to this are the people with double standards)

An unfixed animal will mount or spread for almost anything.

Originally Posted by Shadow Wolf: "Animals only know how to have sex to reproduce."
OK seems you recognize you error in saying that animals only have sex for reproduction, when is clear they also have sex for pleasure. (homosexual sex, masturbation and inter-specie sex)

A good number of male species will hump another male in a display of dominance, such as dogs. Or the dog will hump anything that moves to show dominance. Or one male will hump another simple because there is no female around.

Why does a dog need to show dominance to a piece of furniture? Thing is, dogs hump for many reasons, playing, dominance and SEX. If you learn dog behavior you can tell the difference between one hump and the other hump.

But it's unfair to assume that an animal wants to have sex with you, and isn't responding to it's most primitive and basic drive.

Also unfair to assume he does not want to have sex with me.
By your logic, using dogs instinct to smell bombs, cancer or drugs is unfair, and should be illegal to take advantage of dogs to make them do that for humans... right?

Animals do not have the mental processes to know that inter-species intercourse will not work out

Yea neither they know if they breed with an sterile animal or when they masturbate or hump a piece of furniture. Your point?

We as humans, who are capable of a higher thought process, do understand this, and it's why sex between parent and child, siblings, cousins, or anyone else who is blood related is frowned upon.

Non-reproductive sex between consenting adult who are relatives is ethically acceptable, and even if inbreeding is produced by mistake, theres only a 4% increase in the risk of a genetically disease. Incest is frowned upon for moral reasons, just like homosexuality an zoosexuality.

And again, you can manipulate consent. Child predators do it all the time. The victim will plead that there is love, but fortunately there are laws to protect such abuse, misdirection, and manipulation. The same goes for animals.

Animals are not children, stop comparing them with animals, they don't have the same rights as animals, you can't eat children, you can't neuter children, you can't hunt children, you can't make children work, you can't breed children, you can't experiment drugs on children. But you can do all that on animals, is legally acceptable to manipulate animals, you have a serious problem if you see an animal as a human child or as a valid comparison example.

They cannot consent and most do not enjoy or want intercourse with humans. It also is very risky, since you can get diseases and parasites, and perhaps even be physically harmed.

Read the my post in the last page about consent. As long they don't dislike the sex, it is ethical acceptable. And the risk you mention also happens on heterosexual relationships, you want to ban those too?

And one more thing to add: if you have a pet and have it fixed like any responsible pet owner would (I'm working on getting the cat BTW), the animal will not have a sex drive, so it would be abuse because the animal lacks the drive to have sex.

I can tell you that what you hear from veterinarians about neutering dogs is the the whole truth: Please read this link and see it for yourself: http://www.neutering.org

A neutered male is sicker than a intact male, with females the risks of neutering are even with the risks of not neutering, still why cut the genitals of an animal just because you don't want to deal with their sexuality? If you can't handle your pet needs (including sexual) maybe you should not have pets at all.

BTW: Yes is abuse to do some sexual activities on neutered animals, they don't have sex drive and may have never developed sexually.

BTW: I had many cats before, one of them loved to hump my arm and orgasm in my hand, I didn't have a problem with that nor it was a problem for him. Now, have you ever consider training him to not mount your dog before cutting his genitals? Is he a indoor cat? Also you could satisfy his sex urges manually and he wouldn't hump your dog (if that is your problem). I see those two options more ethical than cutting his genitals to avoid a natural behavior just to fit your life stile. Also neutering cats have risks, they grow less, more susceptible to fractures, urinary problems, changes in behavior, increase in weight, hope you do a research on the risks versus the benefits firsts.

If the animal isn't, then it simple does not know better and is acting on instinct, not passion or love, and is still abuse because the animal is being taken advantage of to be used as a sex toy.

My boyfriend is not a sex toy :149: nor I threat him like a tool. Nor I smell l like ***** pheromone to trigger his instinct to mount me, he choses at will when he wants sex, he lets me know and I let him. I'm satisfying his sex urges just like I satisfy his other needs (shelter, food, exercise) why is abuse to satisfy his natural sexual need? He loves sex y love sex he loves me I love him, what is your problem then?

to me its like saying you will shelter an adult mentally damaged person and then saying having sex with them is ...well "natural" because they have an instinct to "do it".

Human an animal don't have the same rights, the example you mention is wrong because the legal consent law is being broken. If you do the same with an animal theres no law been broken, animals don't have legal consent laws protecting them.

I'm sorry but I can't tell if Alusky is a troll or not but this is not a sexual orientation.

You can't tell because I'm not a troll.

If you don't do a research first you won't believe it to be a sexual orientation. That was the case with homosexuals, they where a disease before some one got the guts to study them and show people they where a sexual orientation.

Try reading this studies/books about zoosexuality.
►Andrea Beetz Ph.D.: Bestiality and Zoophilia (2005)
►Andrea Beetz Ph.D.: Love, Violence, and Sexuality in Relationships between Humans and Animals (2002)
►Profesors Colin J. Williams and Martin S. Weinberg: Zoophilia in Men: a study of sexual interest in animals. - in: Archives of sexual behavior, Vol. 32, No.6, December 2003, pp. 523-535
►Hani Miletski Ph.D.: Bestiality - Zoophilia: An exploratory study, Diss., The Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality. - San Francisco, CA, October 1999
►Hani Miletski Ph.D.: Understanding Bestiality and Zoophilia, 2002
►Josef Massen: Zoophilie - Die sexuelle Liebe zu Tieren (Zoophilia - the sexual love of/for animals) (1994)
► R.E.L. Masters Ph.D.: Forbidden Sexual Behaviour and Morality, an objective examination of perverse sex practices in different cultures (1962)

You are in fact taking advantage of another living creature. That creature may not be able to voice his/her opinion or cognitively understand sex as we do, but that does not mean they are not affected by it.

Yes I'm taking advantage just as a normal person takes advantage of a dog and trains him do do useless tricks. Everyone is taking advantage of animals so why sex is wrong and other activities not? BTW my 4 legged boyfriend loves sex, so he is affected in a positive way.

True story: I had a friend who bred horses. She'd tie the female up so the male could breed her. That poor thing was screaming as if she were being raped, trying to kick him. She was clearly not in the mood. I could tell the horse was not having fun in fact I think she was in pain. In short, yes you are taking advantage of that dog or whatever.

Yea people force animals to breed without their consent and is legal and acceptable.
On my case, if my dog does not want I don't force him, I respect his opinion and I cause pleasure to him, not pain. Theres a difference between having sex with an animal in a humane way and raping an animal (like your horse example)

And yes I accept I'm taking advantage of my dog. Just like other people take advantage of dogs and use as pets, as guard dogs, as help dogs, as work labor, as lovers. If you are against non-abusive sex, then you must be against non-abusive ownership of pets. (unless you have double standards)

Women who have been given the date rape drug cannot consent either. Is it still ok because sex is in their waking instincts?

Yea they can't give legal consent, drugging an animal to have sex with it would be unethical too but not because of legal consent laws.

 

[Aquitaine]

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When I read the OP I presumed this was a thread about Homosexuality! :cover:

 

[fallingblood]

Alusky: A dog can be beaten over and over again, and never fight back. Since they do not show any sign of not consenting to that beating, does that make it alright because by the logic, since that dog is apparently consenting to the beating, it should be morally fine?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A neutered male is sicker than a intact male, with females the risks of neutering are even with the risks of not neutering, still why cut the genitals of an animal just because you don't want to deal with their sexuality? If you can't handle your pet needs (including sexual) maybe you should not have pets at all.

I have never seen any animals be more sickly because of being fixed. But have you ever heard the cried of heat from an unfixed female cat? Sexual frustrations are experienced by animals, and it's cruel to let them suffer with them. It's cruel to let them breed too many times. It is cruel to inflate the animal population and needlessly have countless kittens and puppies be killed because YOU did not get your animal fixed. And since I am not equipped to satisfy an animal's sexual needs, that is something I cannot do. But I am more than capable of providing a loving environment, shelter, food, swims, jogs, trips to the store, and a hair cut for this hot weather we have been having.

 

[Alusky]

Alusky: A dog can be beaten over and over again, and never fight back. Since they do not show any sign of not consenting to that beating, does that make it alright because by the logic, since that dog is apparently consenting to the beating, it should be morally fine?

That example is only possible if the dog is death or 100% unconscious from a drug or something.

Even if the dog does not fight back, he will hide the tail between his legs (afraid and submissive) earls lowered or backwards (afraid and submissive) while keeping his body near the ground (afraid and submissive) not making eye contact (afraid and submissive) and whining and shaking with each hit (pain and afraid) and blood and bruises also means pain.

Only a human with ZERO empathy skills would not see that the dog is not consenting to be beaten. (fact: zoophiles have higher empathy skills that normal population)

Dogs can't talk with word but they can talk with body language, all you have to know is the animals body language and sexual behavior and use your body language and the two can have a good time in an ethical way.

I have never seen any animals be more sickly because of being fixed.

Just look around the the risks of neutering cats or dogs, for male dogs is ridiculous to neuter them, the risk of testicular cancer is 1% but if you neuter him he gets a highger risk on osteosarcoma, hemangiosarcoma, prostate cancer, urinary tract cancer and other cancers, hypothyroidism, obesity and diabetes and all the risk that comes with obesity, urogenital disorders, and other risks.

Why change the 1% risk of testicular cancer to double, triple and even quadruple the risk of so many other diseases? An intact male dog is healthier than a neutered male dog. BTW the testicles can be removed when the cancer is found, testicular cancer is not deadly the other diseases like osteosarcoma is always deadly.

Now for male cats and female cats and female dogs the risks and benefits are different (may be near or equal to the benefits) best to do is look around and learn about the benefits and risk and make an informed choice, comparing one with the others.

And since I am not equipped to satisfy an animal's sexual needs, that is something I cannot do.

Just do a research of the risks and benefits and do a responsible decision based on all the facts, if you believe neuter you cat is the best for him, go for it.

I just don't like when people neuter their animals for the convenience of the human at the expenses of the animal health, neutering should be the last option (unless it's medically necessary)

 

[fallingblood]

Alusky- Most people do not neuter their dogs because of the risk of testicular cancer. They do so in order to help keep the population in check. Which is needed.

Also, the example I gave is possible even if the dog is not near death and is fully conscious. If they are conditioned to believe that is normal, they will simply accept it. More so, there pets that can be abused that will come around for more because they don't know any better. I had a cat that I threw against a wall because it had laid on my face and was unintentionally suffocating me. The cat came right back. Does that mean my cat was consenting to being thrown (quite roughly) into a wall? I think not.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I just don't like when people neuter their animals for the convenience of the human at the expenses of the animal health, neutering should be the last option (unless it's medically necessary)

The only convenience I am aware of is silencing the cries of being in heat, and to not have to worry about getting rid of a litter. But for the animal's benefit it eliminates sexual frustrations, getting rid of their sex drive reduces the chances for spreading disease, and it keeps the population in check and reduces the amount of animals that are put down because of shelter over population. So not only is it good for the individual animal, it benefits the entire species.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

More so, there pets that can be abused that will come around for more because they don't know any better.

My dog was obviously abused by her previous owners. All I have to do is shake out a trash bag to put it in the can and she begins to slink down like I am about to beat her. Any sudden movement or loud voices will also do this. But she doesn't attempt to run, she just stands there and waits for a beating that doesn't come.

 

[.lava]

My dog was obviously abused by her previous owners. All I have to do is shake out a trash bag to put it in the can and she begins to slink down like I am about to beat her. Any sudden movement or loud voices will also do this. But she doesn't attempt to run, she just stands there and waits for a beating that doesn't come.

such a loyal and lovely creature. it is heart breaking to know people abuse them i hope your dog heals and be at peace

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[DallasApple]

The only convenience I am aware of is silencing the cries of being in heat, and to not have to worry about getting rid of a litter. But for the animal's benefit it eliminates sexual frustrations, getting rid of their sex drive reduces the chances for spreading disease, and it keeps the population in check and reduces the amount of animals that are put down because of shelter over population. So not only is it good for the individual animal, it benefits the entire species.

But if the animal is "sexually frustrated" arent there people around that can satisfy the sexual urges?And the litters of 6 to 12 cats every 6 months or so popping out who cares!Most of them die out naturaly that are filled with worms and transfer feline luekemia..distemper and heartworms..etc...

For Gods sake don't be CRUEL by neutering them..Just satisfy there sexual urges!!!

And if you dont have enough time in the day to have sex with the growing population..let them "wander off" to search for safety and food and die of all the diseases and have sex with their own kind..to have more..diseased hungry horny animals..(that is if they live past infancy)...

OH and by the way..if its "unatural" to neuter your pet and you are supposed to be just having sex with them to 'satisfy the sexual urge" (for there protection) then its equally unatural to give them man made drugs to protect them from diseases including rabies..

Love

Dallas

 

[Alusky]

Alusky- Most people do not neuter their dogs because of the risk of testicular cancer. They do so in order to help keep the population in check. Which is needed.

A responsible owner would never let their dogs reproduce, none of my dogs (all intact) have breed without my permission and they are healthy and if I let them breed is with a healthy dog, when a female is in heat I just separate her from males till the heat pass, Is this so hard to do that is better to cut their genitals?

Population problems are caused by irresponsible humans. Neutering them is a cheap option to solve the problem (and is not working) Owners of pets should be studied before they can adopt a dog (just like is done with baby adoptions) to ensure responsible owners. (or harder punishment for irresponsible ones) those are more humane solutions to the problem.

Also, the example I gave is possible even if the dog is not near death and is fully conscious. If they are conditioned to believe that is normal, they will simply accept it. More so, there pets that can be abused that will come around for more because they don't know any better. I had a cat that I threw against a wall because it had laid on my face and was unintentionally suffocating me. The cat came right back. Does that mean my cat was consenting to being thrown (quite roughly) into a wall? I think not.

Do you think the cat enjoys to be hit against a wall? Did you saw sings that the can't enjoy being throw against a wall? Did the cat asked you to throw him again?

Dog example: If a male dog mates with a human, do you think he enjoys it? If the dog jumps over the human and humps him, isn't that consent? And weeks later, why the dog ask for the human to go in 4 legs, to hump him again? Do you see the difference between rape and sex?

Your dog example is not possible, a dog body language does not lie, the body language will show that he is in pain in fear and submissive to you by those means, how can you believe a "I don't like this" in body language means "I love it keep beating me" No animal consent to feel pain.

My dog was obviously abused by her previous owners. All I have to do is shake out a trash bag to put it in the can and she begins to slink down like I am about to beat her. Any sudden movement or loud voices will also do this. But she doesn't attempt to run, she just stands there and waits for a beating that doesn't come.

That's a dog saying with his body "I don't like this at all", my point is animals can also say with their body that they like and enjoy something (like sex) and they are happy with it after if and even solicit more days later (thanks to positive Pavlovian conditioning)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's a dog saying with his body "I don't like this at all", my point is animals can also say with their body that they like and enjoy something (like sex) and they are happy with it after if and even solicit more days later (thanks to positive Pavlovian conditioning)

Trust me, I have had a dog in my life for 22 out of 24 years of my life. I know the difference between between fear and not liking something. And classical condition (Pavlov) is neither positive or negative conditioning (positive increasing desired behavior, negative decrease behavior). Classical conditioning is when a response to a stimuli that normally wouldn't happen becomes habitual. Such as dog's salivating because they heard a bell ring. An interesting bit of trivia: Pavlov was actually becoming frustrated by his dog's premature salivations. Even though that became one of the biggest discoveries for psychology, Pavlov was actually studying the digestive system in dogs, and was worried the salivation would ruin his research.