Sexuality and Choice...

[Kerr]

Here I will make it simple for you. Seminal fluid comes from boys. Unfertilized eggs come from females. sexual reproduction (whether artificially produced through Insemination or natural means) is the only way to produce children to further the human race.

Which do not need attraction between men and women to work, only that they have sex with each other.

 

[Kerr]

I beg to differ that my head is in the sand. On the contrary, I have researched this and came to my conclusions from scientific means.

I am talking about people that do not accept it and act on that... like an employer who fires an employee for being gay. I could have used my wording better, I can tolerate people who do not like it but still respect the homosexual individual.

In any case, if someone is different or behaving differently that does not mean they need help. For them to need help, they have to have an issue, and since homosexuality hurts no one and do not damage anyones ability to function in normal life, homosexuals do not need help.

 

[madhatter85]

Which do not need attraction between men and women to work, only that they have sex with each other.

Which does require attraction at a biological level, genetically controlled. Pheromones and such are the components of this attraction. If someone is not biologically tuned correctly to pick up on, sense, or otherwise become affected by these natural biological traits, that would be defective.

 

[Kerr]

You are confusing "being" with "behaving," they are separate.

No, I have issues with the word "normal". Have never been or behaved normally, and it has isolated me. But I would not have it any other way, I am rather alone then give up my individuality.

What do you mean by "behaving normally", by the way? Just so we can avoid communication issues...

 

[Perfect Circle]

See my response to this same question above in my previous post

See my post where I refer you to the correct terms to use.

No, I'm saying that if they chose to act that way we should make no special exceptions for them.

What special exceptions are we making for them?

They do end up in therapy even when they are not a danger.

Only if they want to, or are a danger to themselves or society.

That I have already researched this and the evidence is not compelling as to why would should make provisions for behavioral abnormalities.

What if I presented evidence to you that there in fact was a specific "gay gene"? One that when turned off resulted in a heterosexual individual 100% of the time, and when turned on resulted in the opposite. Would you refute this?

 

[Kerr]

Which does require attraction at a biological level, genetically controlled. Pheromones and such are the components of this attraction. If someone is not biologically tuned correctly to pick up on, sense, or otherwise become affected by these natural biological traits, that would be defective.

Which still does not change the fact that homosexuals have children.

 

[Kerr]

Sexual reproduction requires a member of each opposing sex to participate. Boy parts and Girl parts are designed to work one way only

That does not make it hetrosexual... and besides, this is not entierly true if we look outside of mankind.

 

[Perfect Circle]

Sexual reproduction requires a member of each opposing sex to participate. Boy parts and Girl parts are designed to work one way only

No it doesn't. It only requires sperm and an egg. Have you never heard of a sperm bank?

 

[madhatter85]

I am talking about people that do not accept it and act on that... like an employer who fires an employee for being gay. I could have used my wording better, I can tolerate people who do not like it but still respect the homosexual individual.

I do respect people who consider themselves homosexual. However i do not believe that this requires me to accept that we have to make provisions to provide them with laws governing privileges based on their behavioral choices.

In any case, if someone is different or behaving differently that does not mean they need help. For them to need help, they have to have an issue, and since homosexuality hurts no one and do not damage anyones ability to function in normal life, homosexuals do not need help.

Many individuals have gone through therapy to correct certain mental and/or physiological disorders that allow them act normally if they are unable to on their own. If they are unable to cope on their own i would encourage them to seek professional support and guidance.

 

[madhatter85]

No it doesn't. It only requires sperm and an egg. Have you never heard of a sperm bank?

Sperm comes from males. Eggs come from females. You would not have sperm banks without males who sell/donate to them.

 

[madhatter85]

Which still does not change the fact that homosexuals have children.

I'm not saying it is impossible for a homosexual to get pregnant. But it is impossible for them to get pregnant outside of sexual reproduction (artificial or otherwise).

 

[madhatter85]

What if I presented evidence to you that there in fact was a specific "gay gene"? One that when turned off resulted in a heterosexual individual 100% of the time, and when turned on resulted in the opposite. Would you refute this?

Actually my arguments are based solely around the idea of a so-called "Gay gene" or have you not noticed?

 

[Kerr]

I do respect people who consider themselves homosexual. However i do not believe that this requires me to accept that we have to make provisions to provide them with laws governing privileges based on their behavioral choices.

I believe laws should not rely on what sexuality you have. Hetro, bi, homo, pansexual... they should all have the same legal rights.

 

[madhatter85]

That does not make it hetrosexual... and besides, this is not entierly true if we look outside of mankind.

actually, by definition it is heterosexual.

And i feel no differently about animals. They may also have genetic defects that cause them to copulate with members of their own sex.

 

[madhatter85]

I believe laws should not rely on what sexuality you have. Hetro, bi, homo, pansexual... they should all have the same legal rights.

And we all do.

you confuse "rights" with "privileges"

 

[Kerr]

Many individuals have gone through therapy to correct certain mental and/or physiological disorders that allow them act normally if they are unable to on their own. If they are unable to cope on their own i would encourage them to seek professional support and guidance.

I realize that, I have a disorder myself you know. But homosexuality does not fall in this category, since it is not a disorder to begin with.

 

[Kerr]

actually, by definition it is heterosexual.

Not really. If anything it should be hetrosexual, bisexual and pansexual.

 

[Kerr]

And we all do.

you confuse "rights" with "privileges"

Just replace the word and you still have my opinion.

 

[Kerr]

And i feel no differently about animals. They may also have genetic defects that cause them to copulate with members of their own sex.

No, I was thinking about the animals that can have sex with themselves and get children. At last I have heard they exist, but it was so long time ago my memory is vague.

 

[madhatter85]

I realize that, I have a disorder myself you know. But homosexuality does not fall in this category, since it is not a disorder to begin with.

How is it not a disorder? by claiming genetics to be the cause, by definition it is a disorder.

Genetics have a complete disregard for how each individual feels, nor are genetics perfect. Genetics is what causes us humans to have the desire to reproduce offspring. It's is at a very fundamental level. Anything that interferes with that fundamental principle of the desire to procreate is defective.