Maybe he will say "it wasn't me" or that it's a fake video.
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Seymour Hersh says who took out the Nordstream Pipeline
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lukethethird
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Oh yeah, I criticized the west, the defenders of god, freedom, and democracy, my bad.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Tu quoque? The difference between Russia and the US is that we know that the Russians are not our friends and risky business partners. But many (too many) in Europe are under the illusion that the US is our ally and friend.
Yazata
Active Member
Yes, Biden's boast that he would "bring an end" to the pipeline looks very bad in retrospect.
Certainly another in his seemingly endless stream of blunders.
That's not wrong per se.
But doing so in defense of Putin's invasion is.
It's a testy relationship, but beware belief
that Russia is as good a friend. Frankly,
I'd rather pull our military out of Europe.
You guys can fend for yourselves....I hope.
What does testy relationship mean?
Seventy-seven years of loyalty to the US mean something.
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Ukraine war costs Germany's economy €100 billion – DW – 02/20/2023
We don't side with either party. We want them to stop.
We would pay billions of euros to convince them to stop. Diplomacy, treaties...but not warfare.
We don't side with either party. We want them to stop.
We would pay billions of euros to convince them to stop. Diplomacy, treaties...but not warfare.
Fraught with irritation.
lukethethird
unknown member
Criticizing the west for escalating an "unprovoked" war, my bad. Criticizing the CIA backed coup that overthrew the democratically elected president of Ukraine in 2014, my bad again. I guess I will never learn to bow down and lick the jackboots of the powers that be in Washington, I'm so bad. I suppose this makes me a Putin sympathizer, because you know, Russians, and me so bad.
You picked your side.
I picked mine (Ukraine).
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
They could call it an ice cream sundae. It changes nothing.
For the last time, stop pretending to speak for all of Europe. I'm sure most Europeans cherish freedom and democracy and abhor unprovoked invasions and war crimes.
Stop trying to paint the aggressor as the victim.
I think facilitating the torture and rape of children is the lowest of the lowest. You praise the enablers and denounce those trying to put a stop to it.
What should we make of that?
Also, whose ally?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Hmm... what ever could you mean by this?
lukethethird
unknown member
I don't pick sides, this is tribal mentality and I play no part in it. I have stated that Putin is a war criminal and I have stated that Biden is a war criminal, but no, it appears that I am a Putin sympathizer because I criticize both sides. I am not surprised by this, in fact, it is expected considering the climate.
There is also @Heyo here, and comes from Germany.
Come to Europe, if you don't trust me.
Europeans will never fight this war.
I don't side with Russia.
We Europeans have been sanctioning Russia to convince her to stop this war. To stop the military operation.
So this should convince you we don't side with this belligerent party.
But I cannot side with Zelensky either who has done nothing to negotiate with Putin.
I side with commoners. Ukrainian refugees, Russian deserters.
It appears that you picked a flavor of neutrality
that blames USA. Not all that neutral.
This is somewhat at odds with your prior posts that are pro-Putin.
But you have still taken a side against Ukraine because of your
views of Zelensky for not negotiating, ie, capitulating.
lukethethird
unknown member
Of course I blame USA and its lacky Nato members, and I blame Russia, I can find fault with Ukraine as well.