iamsharky789
Member
Example of islam and honor killings:
In Iraq, 79 women were killed for violation of "Islamic teachings" in 2006.
In Iraq, 79 women were killed for violation of "Islamic teachings" in 2006.
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sharia and honour killing
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Rational_Mind
Ahmadi Muslim
Points to note:
1-you have no citation of your stat.
2-where does the stat say these are honor killings.
3-how many of these were for capital punishment for murder? To use such a stat and convince us that these are all honor killings is highly deceitful.
4-who's interpretation is valid as authentic Islamic Teachings?
There is no Authentic Islamic source that permits "honour killings".
There is no honour in "honour killings".
[5:33] On account of this, We prescribed for the children of Israel that whosoever killed a person — unless it be for killing a person or for creating disorder in the land — it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and whoso gave life to one, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind. And Our Messengers came to them with clear Signs, yet even after that, many of them commit excesses in the land.
Islam that you are familiar with is not true Islam. You have been very active recently on citing small scale Muslims who are acting on teachings contrary to Islam. Please study deeper and see what kind of atrocities such people commit against Islam by doing their crime under the name of Islam. Most Muslims are unlike what you have been convinced. Every sack has bad apples, Muslims today also have bad apples.
IslamAhmadiyya - Ahmadiyya Muslim Community - Al Islam Online - Official Website
Islamic Terrorism?
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Assad91
Shi'ah Ali
This is the "Quranic debates" so show us where in Quran it instructs us to kill our children on a whim
iamsharky789
Member
It seems like the quran can be interpreted to say whatever the person feels like these days.
Assad91
Shi'ah Ali
Nice excuse. I see you have nothing. I'm done.
iamsharky789
Member
I just showed you that islam has some associations with honor killing. I wish it wasn't that way but it is. I gave you proof and you ignored it. That is not my problem. It is not in quran. It is questionably in the hadith. It is 100% in the culture.
iamsharky789
Member
These verses may be interpreted incorrectly:
Quran- 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (reliable) witness from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them. Or God ordain for them some (other) way.”
Quran-24:2 “The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication—flog each of them with hundred stripes: Let no compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the last day.”
Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira: A man from Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque and called (the Prophet ) saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." On that the Prophet turned his face from him to the other side, whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and repeated his statement. The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side again. The man moved again (and repeated his statement) for the fourth time. So when the man had given witness four times against himself, the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" He replied, "No." The Prophet then said (to his companions), "Go and stone him to death." The man was a married one. Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari said: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the Musalla ('Id praying place) in Medina. When the stones hit him with their sharp edges, he fled, but we caught him at Al-Harra and stoned him till he died.
(See also Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 195.)
Sahi Bukhari: 8:6814:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah al-Ansari: “A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah’s Messenger [Muhammad] and informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse; and he bore witness four times against himself. Allah’s Messenger ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married person.”
Sahi Muslim No. 4206:
“A woman came to the prophet and asked for purification by seeking punishment. He told her to go away and seek God’s forgiveness. She persisted four times and admitted she was pregnant. He told her to wait until she had given birth. Then he said that the Muslim community should wait until she had weaned her child. When the day arrived for the child to take solid food, Muhammad handed the child over to the community. And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al-Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on her face he cursed her.”
Islam Watch - "?Honor Killing? is Absolutely Islamic" by Syed Kamran Mirza
Quran- 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (reliable) witness from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them. Or God ordain for them some (other) way.”
Quran-24:2 “The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication—flog each of them with hundred stripes: Let no compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the last day.”
Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira: A man from Bani Aslam came to Allah's Apostle while he was in the mosque and called (the Prophet ) saying, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." On that the Prophet turned his face from him to the other side, whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side whereupon the man moved to the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and repeated his statement. The Prophet turned his face (from him) to the other side again. The man moved again (and repeated his statement) for the fourth time. So when the man had given witness four times against himself, the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" He replied, "No." The Prophet then said (to his companions), "Go and stone him to death." The man was a married one. Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari said: I was one of those who stoned him. We stoned him at the Musalla ('Id praying place) in Medina. When the stones hit him with their sharp edges, he fled, but we caught him at Al-Harra and stoned him till he died.
(See also Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 63, Number 195.)
Sahi Bukhari: 8:6814:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah al-Ansari: “A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to Allah’s Messenger [Muhammad] and informed him that he had committed illegal sexual intercourse; and he bore witness four times against himself. Allah’s Messenger ordered him to be stoned to death as he was a married person.”
Sahi Muslim No. 4206:
“A woman came to the prophet and asked for purification by seeking punishment. He told her to go away and seek God’s forgiveness. She persisted four times and admitted she was pregnant. He told her to wait until she had given birth. Then he said that the Muslim community should wait until she had weaned her child. When the day arrived for the child to take solid food, Muhammad handed the child over to the community. And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al-Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on her face he cursed her.”
Islam Watch - "?Honor Killing? is Absolutely Islamic" by Syed Kamran Mirza
Assad91
Shi'ah Ali
So you're confused about how Islam doesn't equal culture? If it did, I'd like for you to show how all Muslim majority nations have just one culture.
iamsharky789
Member
No culture does not necessarily equal religion but it is an influence. On top of that islam? That is one of the most intertwined religions and cultures next to hinduism.
Honour killing is not allowed in Islam.
No killing of another Muslim is allowed in Islam.
And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his punishment is Hell; he shall abide in it, and Allah will send His wrath on him and curse him and prepare for him a painful chastisement. (Surah an-Nisā 4:93)
It is only allowed when the person has killed someone else and they need to be killed.
or if you are defending yourself.
Honour killing is murder and who does it should expect the wrath of Allah and hell.
No killing of another Muslim is allowed in Islam.
And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his punishment is Hell; he shall abide in it, and Allah will send His wrath on him and curse him and prepare for him a painful chastisement. (Surah an-Nisā 4:93)
It is only allowed when the person has killed someone else and they need to be killed.
or if you are defending yourself.
Honour killing is murder and who does it should expect the wrath of Allah and hell.
I agree, Yuusif. Murdering a believer is haram, it is as if you murdered the whole world.
If a woman sins, the sin is upon herself alone. It is her burden, not her family's. Her sin dishonors herself alone, not her family.
The Quran says in several places than one cannot be made to bear the burdens of another.
If a woman sins, the sin is upon herself alone. It is her burden, not her family's. Her sin dishonors herself alone, not her family.
The Quran says in several places than one cannot be made to bear the burdens of another.
Sahih International. 6:164:
Say, "Is it other than Allah I should desire as a lord while He is the Lord of all things? And every soul earns not [blame] except against itself, and no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ."
Say, "Is it other than Allah I should desire as a lord while He is the Lord of all things? And every soul earns not [blame] except against itself, and no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ."
