neves
Active Member
To actually implement true Sharia law, Muslims need a Caliphate One leader for the whole of the Muslims chosen by the Muslims based on his Knowledge and Piety So as it stands right now, true Sharia does not exist
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Sharia Law, what is it and who practices it?
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To actually implement true Sharia law, Muslims need a Caliphate One leader for the whole of the Muslims chosen by the Muslims based on his Knowledge and Piety So as it stands right now, true Sharia does not exist
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
well we don't have the prophet with us either so why practice islam?
thats what you are asking.
it's as if i said "why are you a jew, didn't moses die already"
whats this sorry?
Rakhel
Well-Known Member
Moses is not our leader. He didn't even play judge or king. He left that for others to do. The laws are written in one place for all to see. Yes, we do argue over minor issues-what is kosher or what is considered modest dress- but for the most part we follow what is in the Torah.
'King of the mountain" is a game Western children play. Who ever can remain at the top of the hill(mountain) gets to be king for as long as he is at the top. There is a lot of wrestling involved, as everyone wants to be at the top. It is very common, during the game, for the King to be tossed on his butt as he goes rolling down the hill.
Basically what I was asking is (if I can word this right) if no one can agree on what is Shari'a law why is it in place? I mean, some countries say honor killings are ok, others do not. Some say a woman must cover every bit of skin others do not. Some say one thing and others(don't get mad) contradict them.
'King of the mountain" is a game Western children play. Who ever can remain at the top of the hill(mountain) gets to be king for as long as he is at the top. There is a lot of wrestling involved, as everyone wants to be at the top. It is very common, during the game, for the King to be tossed on his butt as he goes rolling down the hill.
Basically what I was asking is (if I can word this right) if no one can agree on what is Shari'a law why is it in place? I mean, some countries say honor killings are ok, others do not. Some say a woman must cover every bit of skin others do not. Some say one thing and others(don't get mad) contradict them.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
yes i understand, see you answered your own question.
that wan't bad was it?we do know what is sharia and what is not (what cultural laws have been added), thats why when a non muslim attaches a cultural law to the sharia, wee say it has nothing to do with islam, it is a cultural law.
i did post something like this just before, the laws of 2 muslim countries can and do contradict themselves. but the basis of the laws is the same, since it is from the quran, it is the true sharia. the parts that contradict are the cultural laws that have been added by man, or are man made.
I've got to be honest and say Sharia law is not needed or wanted here as we have a well run legal system and is a much safer place for Adulterers,Apostates etc and freedom of concience.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
so you are basically saying that adultery is OK?
No i am not saying adultery is ok but it's not a crime and there are many reasons why it happens which are all Human.
gnostic
The Lost One
eselam said:
eselam said:
eselam said:
How can you say that I am wrong, when you yourself admitted later you don't know much about the origin of Sharia Law. You really should endeavour to learn more about the origin of Sharia.
Look up the following:
- Sharia,
- madhhab (school of Islamic jurisprudence),
- Hanafi (the oldest madhhab school).
- Qur'an
- Sunnah or Hadiths
- fiqh (jurisprudence principles)
- ijma (consensus among the Islamic scholars, hence some interpretations are required)
- qiyas (analogical reasoning, hence, again, interpretations)
If the Qur'an was indeed made by Allah (which you and all Muslims believed, but not me), then all the other elements that make up the Sharia are man-made.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
back to the same old arguments huh.
ok i don't consider drug takers or drug trafficking to be an offence, it is a human nature to want to have fun, isn't it?
so why does the west punish drug traffickers?
Drug trafficking of Heroin and Cocaine fund crime syndicates,users of Heroine for example are 99% more likely to commit a crime to feed their habit,Cocaine dealers are more likely to commit a violent act so i think Adultery and drug trafficking are chalk and cheese.
kai
ragamuffin
yes i am and i understand exactly what you mean, its the Islamic equivalent of common law but depending on which Islamic country you are talking about.
The most damning thing about Sharia is it's worst interpretation is practiced in the birthplace of Islam,this from an ex Muslim:
Open, tolerant, and generous Western nations are being taking advantage of, warns a former Muslim from the Middle East who now lives in America.
Muslims in Arab countries as well as some born and bred in the West are aggressively pushing to impose Sharia law, or Islamic law, in countries such as Britain and the United States, among others, claims Nonie Darwish, who lived under Sharia law for 30 years in Egypt.
“To live under Islamic Sharia law is to live in the world’s largest maximum-security prison, and I for one don’t want to be incarcerated again,” writes Darwish in her new book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law.
You will notice that she lived in Egypt and not Saudi,there is a reason for this,Sharia law in Saudi would kill an Apostate end of story.
This from Amnesty:
Amnesty International is extremely concerned at the extent and severity of human rights abuses in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Despite some limited recent reform initiatives, the human rights situation is still bleak. Last year, for example, scores of people suspected of belonging to or supporting armed groups were reported to have been arrested but the authorities did not divulge their identities or other information about them, and it was unclear whether any were charged and brought to trial. Peaceful critics of the government were subjected to prolonged detention without charge or trial. There were allegations of torture, and floggings continued to be imposed by the courts. Violence against women was prevalent and migrant workers suffered discrimination and abuse. Thirty-nine people were executed (with more than three times that number already put to death in 2007).
Open, tolerant, and generous Western nations are being taking advantage of, warns a former Muslim from the Middle East who now lives in America.
Muslims in Arab countries as well as some born and bred in the West are aggressively pushing to impose Sharia law, or Islamic law, in countries such as Britain and the United States, among others, claims Nonie Darwish, who lived under Sharia law for 30 years in Egypt.
“To live under Islamic Sharia law is to live in the world’s largest maximum-security prison, and I for one don’t want to be incarcerated again,” writes Darwish in her new book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law.
You will notice that she lived in Egypt and not Saudi,there is a reason for this,Sharia law in Saudi would kill an Apostate end of story.
This from Amnesty:
Amnesty International is extremely concerned at the extent and severity of human rights abuses in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Despite some limited recent reform initiatives, the human rights situation is still bleak. Last year, for example, scores of people suspected of belonging to or supporting armed groups were reported to have been arrested but the authorities did not divulge their identities or other information about them, and it was unclear whether any were charged and brought to trial. Peaceful critics of the government were subjected to prolonged detention without charge or trial. There were allegations of torture, and floggings continued to be imposed by the courts. Violence against women was prevalent and migrant workers suffered discrimination and abuse. Thirty-nine people were executed (with more than three times that number already put to death in 2007).
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
no no wrong, see what you think is wrong i think is right, and what i think is ok you think is not. so how do we go about it?
The two are totally different Esalam,drug trafficking is for illegal financial gain whereas Adultery is a Human trait and part of our nature.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
well why do people take drugs? my answer would be to have fun, a good time that cannot be rememberd, adultery messes up peoples lives and families leaves scars on people for life.
Adultery can also be an escape from a loveless/abusive/Marriage and entails Human emotions like love and lust,drugs distort Human emotions and although i pertake in the occasional spliff i see no resemlance to Adultery.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
have you ever heard of the word "divorce" before?
yeah it has no ressemblance to adultery, but the principal of the argument is the same, what you consider to be bad, isn't by me. what i consider to be bad, isn't by you. thats the same thing here no matter what examples we use.
Neither justifies execution.