Sharia Law, what is it and who practices it?

[England my lionheart]

so are we leaving it or speaking about it?

Esalam,i think we had best drop it.

 

[gnostic]

Stoning, executing or torturing anyone for committing adultery is an overkill. There's no need to take such extreme actions when there are other alternatives that don't offer lost of lives or being whipped. Only rapists, child-molesters and murderers deserve such forms of punishment.

Separation and divorce are two possible alternatives.

Separation allowed for one of the partner to reflect if he or she want to remain married to the cheating partner. To see if you can forgive...if that's what you wish.

The next step (or you can skip the separation) is to go for a divorce. Divorce is the perfect way to revenge...if that's what you want. The cheating partner can lose the house, properties, money and custody of children (if you have any).

The stupidest thing about the Sharia law is that in the divorce, women get nothing, she has no rights, even if she was faithful and didn't commit adultery.

 

[Gharib]

oh you guys don't get it do you.

so stonning someone for comiting adultery is bad huh.

ok thats fine, so let me ask you something (thats all the non muslims who do not like this punishment)

what should the punishment for child molester be?
should there or should there not be a punishment for such an act?

i will really judge you guys based on your answers to this, so think caefully. heres an article;

Catholic sex abuse cases

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Allegations of sexual abuse of children have been made against public school teachers[1][2][3] and a variety of religious groups including but not exclusively Roman Catholic priests, monks, and nuns. Several major lawsuits were filed in 2001 alleging that priests had sexually abused minors.[4] Some priests resigned, others were defrocked or jailed,[5] and financial settlements totaling in the hundreds of millions of dollars were made with many victims.[4] The cases became ongoing national news in the U.S. with the accusations made against Paul Shanley and John Geoghan, and publicized by the Boston Globe in 2002.[6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15] Some commentators, such as journalist Jon Dougherty, have argued that media coverage of the issue has been excessive, given that the same problems plague other institutions, such as the US public school system, with much greater frequency.[16][2][3]
That same year, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops adopted a "zero-tolerance" policy for accused offenders.[17][18][19] The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops commissioned a comprehensive study that found that four percent of all priests who had served in the U.S. from 1950 to 2002 faced some sort of sexual accusation.[20][21] According to this report, common actions included touching adolescent males under their clothes and removal of clothing, but more serious acts were committed in many cases. The Church was widely criticized when it was discovered that some bishops knew about allegations and reassigned the accused instead of removing them,[4][22] although school administrators engaged in a similar manner when dealing with accused teachers,[2] as have the Scouts[23] and Jehovah's Witnesses.[24] Some bishops and psychiatrists noted that the prevailing psychology of the times suggested that people could be cured of such behavior through counseling.[22][25] Many of the abusive priests had received counseling before being reassigned.[21][26]

 

[Gharib]

can't get enough?

Child Molester is Library Board Member Who Mocked Parents Complaining About Internet P-rn in Gwinnett County Public Library


In Gwinnett County Public Library, another library scandal is underway. Apparently, a library board member who mocked parents complaining about Internet p-rn (based on personal information) has been molesting many children (16 at last count), and the police are looking for more victims. "[Brett] Taylor resigned from his post on the Gwinnett County Public Library Board days after his July 24 arrest on four counts of child molestation and one count of sexual battery." Here are more Brett Taylor Gwinnett County Public Library Scandal stories.

In the library scandal hall of shame, Taylor now joins Charles Rust-Tierney, the former president of the Virginia ACLU who argued in the case leading up to US v. ALA against Internet filters, then went on to be convicted for "sadistic kiddie p-rn." One judge described it as "'the most perverted and nauseating and sickening type of child p-rnography' she has seen in 10 years on the bench."

Why do these people get to oppose legal means for protecting children then use illegal means for violating them? Why do people oppose legal means for protecting children? Is American Library Association [ALA] misinformation that widespread and effective? Is your community library guided by the ALA's anything goes policy?

For educational purposes under Fair Use Section 107 of the US Copyright Act, here is one of the articles on this scandal:

 

[Gharib]

you want more?

Jan 2006 - Statistics show child abuse in Australia is getting worse​

Last Updated Thursday, 19 January 2006​

The incidence of child abuse in Australia is worsening, according to the Child Protection Australia 2004-05 report
released by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare (AIHW).

Every national indicator of child abuse has increased every year for six years running:

- child abuse notifications;
- substantiated abuse cases;
- children on care and protection orders; and
- the number of children in out-of-home care.

　
Indigenous children continue to be significantly over represented in every one of these areas.

Findings from the Child Protection Australia 2004-05 report
The full report is available from the AIHW website: Child Protection Australia 2004-05 report

Adam Blakester, Executive Officer of the NAPCAN Foundation, Australia’s lead national child abuse prevention agency,
says 'These findings confirm that child abuse and neglect continues to be Australia’s most serious social problem bar
none – and it’s getting worse.'

An Australian child was harmed, or found likely to be harmed, every 11 minutes in 2004-05 – nearly double as often as in
1999-2000.

Furthermore, the complexity of the problems and circumstances experienced by children - such as family violence,
mental health and social isolation – are worsening.

The lifelong and inter-generational consequences of child abuse make this Australia's most serious social problem.

What can we do?

The NAPCAN Foundation believes solving this complex and massive problem requires every
Australian to get involved:

- At a national level we need research to identify the full scale of the problem of child abuse.
- On a personal level every one of us can and must play a part in preventing child abuse – before it starts.

　
For example, the AIHW Report revealed an over-representation of sole-parent families in substantiated abuse cases.
Sole parents are more likely to have low incomes or be financially stressed; be socially isolated; or have less support
from their immediate family.
These are all factors that have been associated with child abuse and neglect.​

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'Even simple things that we all can do make a difference,' explains Blakester. 'Cooking and sharing a meal with a sole
parent family can help reduce stress and isolation, while creating a friendlier community too.'

For more information, visit the NAPCAN Foundation website​

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[Gharib]

i haven't started with england and the US yet, so there is more to come ok.

 

[kai]

i haven't started with england and the US yet, so there is more to come ok.

esalam what is your point here? are you under the impression that child molestation is not punished in the west? Child molesters are brought to court and punished under the law of what ever country.

 

[gnostic]

Don't get me wrong, eselam. I do believe in the death penalty, but not for those who commit adultery. Adultery don't involve violence, such

Death penalty for murderer? Yes.

Death penalty for rapist? Yes.

Death penalty for child molester? Definitely, yes. But cut off their balls (without anesthesia) first, and make them suffer first several days, then you can flip the switch or chuck a stone at him.

Oh, the same punishments for rapists....I mean making them geldings.

As to flogging. The only people who deserve flogging are those who beat women. If a man beat his wife, then he is the one who deserve the flogging; domestic violence should not be tolerated. Women shouldn't be beaten for disobedience, which the stupid Qur'an actually encouraged.

Whether a woman commit adultery or not, and then she get raped, your Sharia prefer to punish the victim of the rape (the alleged adulteress), instead of rapist. If your god really the creator of Sharia, as you think it is, then I seriously doubt his mentality and his judgement.

Do you know what the punishment they have for young women who go walking unescorted or not wearing headdress from the sick village council in Pakistan and Afghan?

Rape. They send a bunch of young men to rape the girl.

 

[England my lionheart]

oh you guys don't get it do you.

so stonning someone for comiting adultery is bad huh.
Stoning anyone is barbaric

ok thats fine, so let me ask you something (thats all the non muslims who do not like this punishment)

what should the punishment for child molester be?
should there or should there not be a punishment for such an act?

Personally i would cut there privates off,but i live in a civilised country so life imprisonment would be ok.

i will really judge you guys based on your answers to this, so think caefully. heres an article;

Catholic sex abuse cases

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Allegations of sexual abuse of children have been made against public school teachers[1][2][3] and a variety of religious groups including but not exclusively Roman Catholic priests, monks, and nuns. Several major lawsuits were filed in 2001 alleging that priests had sexually abused minors.[4] Some priests resigned, others were defrocked or jailed,[5] and financial settlements totaling in the hundreds of millions of dollars were made with many victims.[4] The cases became ongoing national news in the U.S. with the accusations made against Paul Shanley and John Geoghan, and publicized by the Boston Globe in 2002.[6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15] Some commentators, such as journalist Jon Dougherty, have argued that media coverage of the issue has been excessive, given that the same problems plague other institutions, such as the US public school system, with much greater frequency.[16][2][3]
That same year, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops adopted a "zero-tolerance" policy for accused offenders.[17][18][19] The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops commissioned a comprehensive study that found that four percent of all priests who had served in the U.S. from 1950 to 2002 faced some sort of sexual accusation.[20][21] According to this report, common actions included touching adolescent males under their clothes and removal of clothing, but more serious acts were committed in many cases. The Church was widely criticized when it was discovered that some bishops knew about allegations and reassigned the accused instead of removing them,[4][22] although school administrators engaged in a similar manner when dealing with accused teachers,[2] as have the Scouts[23] and Jehovah's Witnesses.[24] Some bishops and psychiatrists noted that the prevailing psychology of the times suggested that people could be cured of such behavior through counseling.[22][25] Many of the abusive priests had received counseling before being reassigned.[21][26]

They are sick and deserve a harsh punishment, but Esalam,Adultery and molesting children are chalk and cheese

 

[eugenius]

Eselam, what does child abuse have to do with adultery? Are you saying the punishments should be equal? I"m not sure what you are getting at? If you want to point the finger at other countries on child abuse, you might want to reconsider.

Let me ask you this, in a country where arranged marriages are frequent, you are putting together two people who probably do not like each other, let alone love each other, legalized rape, and you still think adultery should be punishable by death?

 

[Fatihah]

There has been much debate about Sharia law on this forum. The muslim posters deny that it has anything to do with Islam however I read this today:

Sharia is the body of Islamic religious law. The term means "way" or "path to the water source"; it is the legal framework within which the public and private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Islamic principles of jurisprudence and for Muslims living outside the domain. Sharia deals with many aspects of day-to-day life, including politics, economics, banking, business, contracts, family, sexuality, hygiene, and social issues.

I'm confused as why it has nothing to do with Islam, yet it was developed by muslims based on Islamic beliefs. Somebody clear this up for me.

Response: The religion of islam is not defined by muslims but by Allah. So just because someone calls themself a muslim and decides to make a law with the claim that it is islam does not make it true.

 

[England my lionheart]

Response: The religion of islam is not defined by muslims but by Allah. So just because someone calls themself a muslim and decides to make a law with the claim that it is islam does not make it true.

I agree to some extent,but i would say that having studied the Hadiths one can see how open they are to interpretation and this is where self proclaimed clerics,Immams should accept some blame,as i see it,if one of these clerics says black is white it will be adhered to by some less enlightened Muslims.

 

[Fatihah]

I agree to some extent,but i would say that having studied the Hadiths one can see how open they are to interpretation and this is where self proclaimed clerics,Immams should accept some blame,as i see it,if one of these clerics says black is white it will be adhered to by some less enlightened Muslims.

Response: If someone believes black is white simply because someone told them it is, then their lack of education is to blame.

 

[Kodanshi]

Additionally, unlike other scripture, the Qur'an at times directly addresses women and holds them to equal responsibility as men (which suggests they should have equal rights):

"Surely for Muslim men and women, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obeying men and the obeying women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the patient men and the patient women, and the humble men and the humble women, and the charitable men and the charitable women, and the fasting men and the fasting women, and the men who guard their chastity and the women who guard their chastity, and the men who remember Allah much and the women who remember--Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a mighty reward." (Q 33:35)

Do you know the context of the revelation of this verse? It came as a direct result of women complaining to Muhammad that the Qur’ânic revelations seemed so male–centred, yet there were so many women of the faith following him.

 

[England my lionheart]

Response: If someone believes black is white simply because someone told them it is, then their lack of education is to blame.

I agree to an extent but the Hadith are open to interpretation

 

[Gharib]

esalam what is your point here?

the same as everyones. you don't want me posting something from england?

are you under the impression that child molestation is not punished in the west?

you bet.

Child molesters are brought to court and punished under the law of what ever country.

and released back into society very very soon.

thats like letting a lunatic run the country for us.

 

[linwood]

the same as everyones. you don't want me posting something from england?



you bet.



and released back into society very very soon.

thats like letting a lunatic run the country for us.

Your clueless.

In America your life is never yours again once you`ve even been accused of molesting a child.
Where you live is censored.
Where you work is censored.
Your face is plastered on the internet "for the rest of your life".

Nearly impossible to get a job, nearly impossible to rent a home.

I think my country treats most sex crimes far to harshly and with poor judgement.

An 18 year old man can be convicted of child molestation if the girlfriend he`s had for years is only 17.
His life is all but ruined.

No child molester ever wants to be convicted and spend time in an American prison, no way.
One day in general population and well, it`s a very equitable type of justice.

 

[Gharib]

Don't get me wrong, eselam. I do believe in the death penalty, but not for those who commit adultery. Adultery don't involve violence, such

but you see, this is the problem here. you have been given the freedom of though in the west, so when you think something is wrong then it is exactly how you say it is. just because you say so.

Death penalty for murderer? Yes.

what for, have you heard the saying "an eye for an eye and the world goes blind" well "a soul for a soul and we all end up dead"

Death penalty for rapist? Yes.

i thought rapists didn't dessrve to die for such an act? i don't know if you have said that but i do think someone did say it. unless i'm amking it up.

Death penalty for child molester? Definitely, yes. But cut off their balls (without anesthesia) first, and make them suffer first several days, then you can flip the switch or chuck a stone at him.

is this your view or is it of the other non muslims too?

Oh, the same punishments for rapists....I mean making them geldings.

yes that would be nice, if it only happened.

As to flogging. The only people who deserve flogging are those who beat women. If a man beat his wife, then he is the one who deserve the flogging; domestic violence should not be tolerated. Women shouldn't be beaten for disobedience, which the stupid Qur'an actually encouraged.

see always with the same thing; heres some news flash for you;

<H2>Domestic Violence in Australia—an Overview of the Issues

E-Brief: Online Only issued 7 August 2003, updated by Janet Phillips, September 2006

Dr Kerry Carrington, Analysis and Policy
Janet Phillips, Information/E-links
Social Policy Group

What Do We Know About Domestic Violence?

As most incidences of domestic violence often go unreported, it is difficult to measure the true extent of the problem. According to a study conducted in 1998 by Carlos Carcach from the Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC), Reporting Crime to the Police, most assaults against women where the victim knows the offender go unreported. The 2005 Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) Personal Safety Survey, estimates that 36 per cent of women who experienced physical assault by a male perpetrator reported it to the police in 2005 compared to 19 per cent in 1996, and that 19 per cent of women who experienced sexual assault reported it to the police in 2005 compared to 15 per cent in 1996.
The best indicators available to date about the levels of violence against women in Australia are from the 1996 ABS publication Women's Safety Survey and the more recent ABS Personal Safety Survey 2005 that surveyed both men and women. The surveys asked women about their experiences of violence and found that:

• 5.8 per cent of women had experienced violence in the 12 month period preceding the survey in 2005 compared with 7.1 per cent in 1996
• 4.7 per cent of these women had experienced physical violence (this includes physical assault and threat of physical assault) in 2005 compared with 5.9 per cent in 1996, and 1.6 per cent had experienced sexual violence (this includes sexual assault and threat of sexual assault) compared to 1.5 per cent in 1996
• Of the women who experienced sexual violence during the 12 months prior to the 2005 survey 21 per cent had experienced sexual assault by a previous partner in the most recent incident, and 39 per cent by a family member or friend
• The 2005 survey also showed that of those women who were physically assaulted in the 12 months prior to the survey, 38 per cent were physically assaulted by their male current or previous partner. Of the women who had experienced violence by a current partner, 10 per cent had a violence order issued against their current partner and of those women who had violence orders issued, 20 per cent reported that violence still occurred.

There have also been studies of the relationship between domestic violence and homicides. In Homicide between Intimate Partners in Australia, 1998, Carach and James from the Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC) found that domestic violence plays a significant role in the lead up to lethal violence, accounting for 27 per cent of all homicides in Australia between 1989 and 1996. Another study by the AIC in 2002, Homicides Resulting from Domestic Altercations, found that the majority of female homicide victims were killed during domestic altercations. In a follow up AIC study, Family Homicide in Australia,Jenny Mouzos and Catherine Rushforth analysed the victim-offender relationships for almost 4500 homicides that occurred in Australia over a 13 year period from 1989 to 2002. The study found that:

• on average there were 129 family homicides each year, 77 related to domestic disputes
• that killings between partners/spouses accounted for 60 per cent of all family homicides in Australia, with women accounting for 75 per cent of the victims, and men comprising the majority of the killers
• that a quarter of the intimate homicides occurred after the partners had separated or divorced.

</H2>
you see where i'm getting at?

even though we area alowed to do so as the quran tells us (not at the extent you think so) we still do not do it, there is no reason for it, we are civilised people. but when we trun to you guys, "the civilised people" we see that you are way more bad and worse than us, have i said to you that islam is just so behind the west? we will need so many years to catch up.


i'll get to the rest later, i need to go, ok

 

[Gharib]

Whether a woman commit adultery or not, and then she get raped, your Sharia prefer to punish the victim of the rape (the alleged adulteress), instead of rapist. If your god really the creator of Sharia, as you think it is, then I seriously doubt his mentality and his judgement.

no no, you've got that wrong. if the woman gets raped and she didn't see who it was, or doesn't know the man, she will get stoned if she accuses an innocent man, all of that includes investigation, it doesn't just happen in a few minutes. you've got that wrong. it's not how it happens.

Do you know what the punishment they have for young women who go walking unescorted or not wearing headdress from the sick village council in Pakistan and Afghan?

thats cultural, not islamic. being escorted or walking alone has nothing to do with islam. why would you think that? because pakistan is an islamic majority?

Rape. They send a bunch of young men to rape the girl.

whats this?
you lost me here with this.

 

[Gharib]

They are sick and deserve a harsh punishment, but Esalam,Adultery and molesting children are chalk and cheese

but thats the point.
YOU think it has nothing to do with it.
YOU think adultery should go unpunished
it's all YOU.

Allah tells us in the quran to divorce or wife or husband if we do not go along, he tells us to do it in a proper and civilised way, with agreement. so anyone who dissobeys this desserves to be punished for it. Allah has given the OK to anyone who wants a divorce but they must not commit such acts, they are shameful. and shamefulness is not allowed in islam, people who do not get embarrased or ashamed are animals, animals don't get ashamed.