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Sharia Law, what is it and who practices it?

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Eselam, what does child abuse have to do with adultery?

just about the same thing islam has to do with terrorism.

Are you saying the punishments should be equal?

yes, death to both acts.

I"m not sure what you are getting at? If you want to point the finger at other countries on child abuse, you might want to reconsider.

about what? a 8 year old isn't allowed to divorce an older guy? if the sentencing of such deeds was death, then her damn father would not have done that. you see what i'm getting at?

Let me ask you this, in a country where arranged marriages are frequent,

yes thats my home country.

you are putting together two people who probably do not like each other, let alone love each other,

nope, not how it works. WRONG INFO man.

legalized rape,

nothing islamic.

and you still think adultery should be punishable by death?

yes, something wrong with that?
 
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Gharib

I want Khilafah back
I agree to some extent,but i would say that having studied the Hadiths

you have studied the hadiths?

one can see how open they are to interpretation and this is where self proclaimed clerics,Immams should accept some blame,as i see it,if one of these clerics says black is white it will be adhered to by some less enlightened Muslims.

exactly, so it is the scholars fault, if done intentionaly then hell for them.

but then again, the people should have more knowledge, if they have a stong faith, then they will accept things from a scholar, otherwise they will question it since they do not know about it, but the people themself should know more about islam, they should not become the best muslim in just a few days simply because they are being told things by an imam. study is the best way to acheive anything.
 
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Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Your clueless.

no, not really.

In America your life is never yours again once you`ve even been accused of molesting a child.
Where you live is censored.
Where you work is censored.
Your face is plastered on the internet "for the rest of your life".

Nearly impossible to get a job, nearly impossible to rent a home.

I think my country treats most sex crimes far to harshly and with poor judgement.

An 18 year old man can be convicted of child molestation if the girlfriend he`s had for years is only 17.
His life is all but ruined.

No child molester ever wants to be convicted and spend time in an American prison, no way.
One day in general population and well, it`s a very equitable type of justice.

you know that "clueless" part, i think it belongs right here. i wasn't speaking about the US laws.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Child Molestation by homosexuals and heterosexuals

By Brian W. Clowes and David L. Sonnier
HOMILETIC & PASTORAL REVIEW
MAY 2005

Many homosexual leaders have admitted that there is a natural link between a homosexual orientation and child sexual abuse.
The Church has always had a small number of priests and other religious who have taken advantage of their positions of authority and influence in order to gain sexual favors or to take advantage of the helpless. The problem of clerical child sexual molestation, particularly in the United States, has been widely exposed and publicized over the last several years. The numerous recent revelations have exposed the problem as much deeper and more widespread than most would have previously believed.
During the current crisis, homosexual activists within and outside the Catholic Church have done everything they could to divert attention away from even the possibility that there may be a higher percentage of homosexuals among the priesthood than in the general public, and that this may be the root of the problem of child sexual molestation within the Church. It is particularly the link between homosexuality and child molestation that they seek to deny.
For example, Dignity USA kicked off its "Stop Blaming Gay Priests" campaign during the meeting of the United States Catholic Bishops Conference in Washington, D.C., November 10-13, 2002. The group said, "DigntyUSA [sic] is calling on the U.S. Catholic bishops to stop blaming gay priests for the clergy sexual abuse scandal. All credible evidence discounts any link between the molestation of children and homosexuality."1
The situation has become so charged that anyone who even suggests that there may be a connection between homosexuality and pedophilia is instantly and reflexively labeled a "homophobe" and a "gay basher." The powerful homosexual lobby reacts instinctively to negative publicity and information by, as researcher Laird Wilcox calls it, "ritually defaming" those who dare raise their voices.2 Organized homosexual groups first attempt to completely ignore the evidence, or, if it simply cannot be ignored, they smear and discredit those who produced it.
Such casual dismissal of documented facts, and the accompanying refusal to even I discuss the possibility of a link between an active homosexual lifestyle and child sexual abuse, is a grave disservice not only to the victims, but also to society at large. Obviously, a proven link between homosexual orientation and child sexual molestation would badly damage the carefully crafted public relations image of the homosexual rights movement. Therefore, instead of calmly and rationally discussing the issues, homosexual rights leaders subscribe to the axiom "the best defense is a good [and loud] offense," and remain in a permanent attack mode.
The only way to solve the problem of priestly child molestation is to proceed methodically: establish the facts, objectively study all facts relating to the situation, and finally, but most importantly, have the courage and faith to respond by taking appropriate steps. If all of this is not done, any such effort, no matter how well intentioned or vigorously pursued, will be utterly squandered. Certainly we owe it to the victims-and to the Catholic Faith itself-to determine the truth behind this volatile topic.

Child Molestation by homosexuals and heterosexuals


having read that, who thinks that homosexuals are OK. in islam it is like this, if something makes you do something bad or is the source of bad, get rid of it.

so should homosexuals be gotten rid off?

you all did say that child molesters should face death, and in this case it is the homosexuals who are the source of such acts. anyone still think that the sharia is bad? see how Allah knows the future, 1400 years ago he brought a law to us about killing homosexuals, and heres one of the many good reasons.

does anyone dissagree with this?
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Is Rape Legal in Britain?

John on May 28, 2008
Saw this Post headline over at HotAir. Unbelievable stuff:
After Linda Davies reported to police that her 15-year-old daughter had been raped, it took three months — plus two dozen phone calls and a threat of legal action — before police questioned the suspect, a 28-year-old neighbor.
“I gave police his name, address, mobile phone number, car registration — everything but his passport,” said Davies, 44, a strong-minded mother of two daughters. “I was basically begging them. He lived five minutes away from us.”
The suspect was finally arrested but acquitted at a trial in which the judge told the jury that he was “in a way a man of good character” because his previous criminal convictions, for possession of stolen goods and marijuana, did not involve violence.
Davies was furious at the judge, who also instructed the jurors to ignore the victim’s young age, and at police, who lost cellphone records that contradicted the defendant’s account.
“This has shattered us,” Davies said. “We felt like the whole system was against us.”
Davies said she was stunned to learn that her daughter’s case was the rule, not the exception. According to government statistics, only 5.7 percent of rapes officially recorded by police in England and Wales end in a conviction.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
And Still Another Idiot Judge

Scott on June 25, 2007
This guy isn’t as delusional as the other judges that John and I have posted about in the past both here and here.
I think that this judge is just an idiot and an a@# who also happens to have too much power at his disposal.
District of Columbia administrative law judge Roy L. Pearson took a suit to the cleaners over two years ago to have it cleaned and pressed. As happens from time to time, the two pieces of the suit were accidentally separated from each other. When the judge came to pick up the suit, the cleaners only had the jacket for him. The pants were found within a matter of days, but the judge wasn’t happy. Even though the pants were clearly a match for the jacket, and even though the cleaner’s identification tags matched between the jacket and the lost-but-then-found-pants, the judge wasn’t satisfied. He claimed that the pants weren’t his and that the cleaners didn’t just owe him a new pair of pants or even a new suit. He decided that the cleaners owed him damages…and A LOT of damages…like $54,000,000 in damages!
THAT’S 54 MILLION DOLLARS IN DAMAGES…ALL BECAUSE OF A SUIT! (Now maybe you understand why I said this guy is an idiot and an a#@.)
He has spent two years legally abusing the husband and wife owners of the dry cleaners, terrorizing them with his abuse of position and power, costing them tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees which they could not afford to lose.
This case has been making its way through the courts and has finally been resolved.
Guess What? The dude/idiot/a@#/”judge” lost and was ordered to pay for the family’s legal expenses.
Now “Judge” Roy L. Pearson just needs to be fired and then shot, or shot and then fired!

NOTE; this is not really related, i just wanted to point out the dumb western laws about compensation.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Well, the Talibans are using bringing their own Sharia back.

They are public flogging any ordinary Afghan, to make an example of for wanting freedom, and burning down schools.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
My point is that the Qur'an, in my opinion, represents the true meaning of Islam which is Justice and Peace. Admittedly, there are contradictory verses in the Qur'an, but overall, the book preaches peace and I think that is forgotten by extremists and the general public alike.

that red part caught my attention, just as YmirGF has pointed out.

what do you mean there are contradictory verses in the quran, can i see some that you think contradict themself?

if there are verses that contradict each other in the quran then it cannot be from god. god does not make a mistake.
 

Rakhel

Well-Known Member
If it is not Islam, then what is it?

There was an incident not to long ago of a 17 year old girl getting flogged for telling her would be husband that she won't marry him. She then recanted her story and said it was about something that happened when she was seven.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
If it is not Islam, then what is it?

i've answered that question a thousand times by now.

it's culture, it's traditions. that has nothing to do with islam. the quran is islam. so if the quran said so, then it is islam. you can't just pin stuff on islam simply because a muslim did it. it is not the muslims who make up islam, it is islam that makes up the muslims, but when they make a mistake it's not part of the religion. people do sin so what, we can't be perfect.

There was an incident not to long ago of a 17 year old girl getting flogged for telling her would be husband that she won't marry him. She then recanted her story and said it was about something that happened when she was seven.

well see, nothing to do with islam. that is forbiden in islam. a woman and a man can get divorced anytime they want. Allah (swt) encourages peaceful and civilised divorces, so people don't cause trouble. so that story contradicts the quran, and when it does that, it means it is not part of islam.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
The problem, eselam, is that the Taliban does see themselves and their laws as true Islam.

well what sort of laws are we speaking of now?

they do go by the quran, i'm not denying that, but the stuff about killing innocent people with suicidal attacks isn't part of islam. Allah (swt) hates those who transgress the bounds. who kill just because they are powerful or start wars just because they "think" someone attacked them. there is more to just "think". and in islam it is also forbiden to start wars. so by alqaida taking responsibility about the american bombing, that is where i think that the whole thing is an american conspiracy. but then again who knows. but both the taliban and alqaeda do follow the quran, but in some cases they go beyound rules, and that isn't what Allah (swt) tells us to do. so it cannot be islamic.
 

kai

ragamuffin
well what sort of laws are we speaking of now?

they do go by the quran, i'm not denying that, but the stuff about killing innocent people with suicidal attacks isn't part of islam. Allah (swt) hates those who transgress the bounds. who kill just because they are powerful or start wars just because they "think" someone attacked them. there is more to just "think". and in islam it is also forbiden to start wars. so by alqaida taking responsibility about the american bombing, that is where i think that the whole thing is an american conspiracy. but then again who knows. but both the taliban and alqaeda do follow the quran, but in some cases they go beyound rules, and that isn't what Allah (swt) tells us to do. so it cannot be islamic.


consider this esalam?

Alqueda says that the Ummah is under attack and they are of the ummah so they are not starting a war they are defending themselves. Thats how they justify it Islamicaly unless you know any different that justification could theoretically be used by any Muslim.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
consider this esalam?

Alqueda says that the Ummah is under attack and they are of the ummah so they are not starting a war they are defending themselves. Thats how they justify it Islamicaly unless you know any different that justification could theoretically be used by any Muslim.

yes that is islamic, to deffend the people from the invading forces. alqaeda is doing exactly that.

but you tell me this now;

who started this war? US - alqaeda

and just as a side note, what are we discussing anyway?
 
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kai

ragamuffin
yes that is islamic, to deffend the people from the invading forces. alqaeda is doing exactly that.

but you tell me this now;

who started this war? US - alqaeda
that depends who you ask,
and just as a side note, what are we discussing anyway?
I am not sure i have lost track :confused:
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
you have studied the hadiths?



exactly, so it is the scholars fault, if done intentionaly then hell for them.

but then again, the people should have more knowledge, if they have a stong faith, then they will accept things from a scholar, otherwise they will question it since they do not know about it, but the people themself should know more about islam, they should not become the best muslim in just a few days simply because they are being told things by an imam. study is the best way to acheive anything.

Yes Esalam,they should have more knowledge,they should be able to read Arabic preferably,they should be able to think for themselves and take some responsability for their actions.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Yes Esalam,they should have more knowledge,they should be able to read Arabic preferably,they should be able to think for themselves and take some responsability for their actions.

i've misswitten that last statement of mine, instead of saying that a smart muslim will question something out of the ordinary or that does't make sense, i've said that a less smart muslim will ask about it.

that was wrong. those who have no knowledge of islam (low educated muslims) will accept just about anything that comes from an imam. so it is their fault for not studying.
 

ProudMuslim

Active Member
If it is not Islam, then what is it?

There was an incident not to long ago of a 17 year old girl getting flogged for telling her would be husband that she won't marry him. She then recanted her story and said it was about something that happened when she was seven.

If i am not mistaken, the incident says the girl has been accused of adultery but some peple believe it is because she refused to get married to one of Taliban men. So it is not as if its made public she is flogged for refusing to get married.

Alqueda says that the Ummah is under attack and they are of the ummah so they are not starting a war they are defending themselves. Thats how they justify it Islamicaly unless you know any different that justification could theoretically be used by any Muslim.

But Kai despite of all this, Islam has a strict code of war ethics. I have posted them in another thread. The basic point is even when you are defending yourself, you MUST never target and kill civillians. In fact, you must not have a war in populated areas as in throw a bomb on a middle of a city! The whole point of war in Islam is not about revenge, it is about self defence and stopping of the aggression. That's why the vast majority of Muslims don't think highly of Al Qaeda.
 
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