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Shedding blood in the name of God.
- Thread starter jeffrey
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Jeremiah 50
41 Behold, a people shall come from the north,
And a great nation and many kings
Shall be raised up from the ends of the earth.
42 They shall hold the bow and the lance;
They are cruel and shall not show mercy.
Their voice shall roar like the sea;
They shall ride on horses,
Set in array, like a man for the battle,
Against you, O daughter of Babylon.
Soon coming future events yes.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
41 Behold, a people shall come from the north,
And a great nation and many kings
Shall be raised up from the ends of the earth.
42 They shall hold the bow and the lance;
They are cruel and shall not show mercy.
Their voice shall roar like the sea;
They shall ride on horses,
Set in array, like a man for the battle,
Against you, O daughter of Babylon.
Booko said:
Soon coming future events yes.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Halcyon said:
My evidence is the Word of Jesus. That i have posted. Jesus said not to take part in war. Therefore all people who take part in war are not following Jesus. Therefore they are not followers of Jesus. Therefore they are not Christians. No matter what they say.
You think everyone supported the catholic church and it was only when Luther posted His disagreements with the church that disagreement started? If that was the case then no one would have been executed by the catholic church from creation of that church to the date of Luthers posting. We all know that the catholic church killed millions of people who disagreed with it well before the time of Luther.
The Body of Christ has existed in Spirit since the day of Pentecost. Of course its existence is not highlighted by the historical records of the kingdoms of this world. Who do you think writes History? Who do you think controls history? Who controls the media today? It sure is not true Christians.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
maggie2
Active Member
nutshell said:
We have used such excuses for centuries to deny the violence done by Christians. I find it interesting that some Christians find it necessary to disown other Christians who do things that are perceived as un-Christlike. The people who did these things are Christians whether we like it or not. We can't deny the violent history of the Christian church. It is well recorded.
And in a bit different light, this continues today. Christians of all stripes (and non-Christians as well) turn their backs on killing around the world. We all know that Darfor is a killing field. George Clooney was on Capitol Hill yesterday discussing it with lawmakers. Seen from a Christian perspective, we turn our backs in a huge sin of omission and ignore what's going on there. Look at Rwamda a few years agp. We did the same thing there. And while these killings are not done in the name of religion, I hear very few Christians standing up and saying it must be stopped.
BUDDY
User of Aspercreme
I can and do. We need to remember that we should not judge the teachings or the truth of a religion or philosophy by the conduct or behaviour of those who are not following those teachings.maggie2 said:
This being the case, we need to be clear that many of the wars and other atrocities which have been committed in the name of Christ were carried out by people who either were not really Christians or who were genuine Christians but were not following the teachings of Jesus. Such conflicts were often motivated by political or economic concerns but were given religious overtones in order to convince the masses it was in their best eternal interest to get involved.
Booko
Deviled Hen
jeffrey said:
Yes, well Baha'is have the same "commandment" -- to obey the gov't where we reside.
If we are in the armed services, then we obey the gov't, except for the part about shooting anyone.
There are just a few things where God takes precedence. One of them is recanting our faith. The Iranian gov't tries this all the time on us, but they haven't managed to get rid of us in 150+ years, so I don't expect they'll succeed now, either.
Booko
Deviled Hen
Very true, but I think we *can* judge the relative health of a religion's institutions by the actions of the adherents.BUDDY said:
So while it may be true that there's nothing wrong with the Gospel, for example, events like the Inquisition show that the institutions of that religion were not functioning as they should during that time.
Likewise today, the fact that terrorism and oppression of women is present in Islam does not show that Islam is wrong, but rather that its instutions are not functioning as they should.