Shocked To Find Out Yahweh Was Originally A Canaanite God Who Had A Wife, Asherah

[Trailblazer]

Clear mirror, and God became visible in the mirror?
What does that mean?

It means that all the attributes of of God such as Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Righteous, Forgiving, Patient, etc were perfectly reflected in Jesus, so Jesus was a mirror image of God (Colossians 1:15).

Im talking about being united with God. Like a marriage.
A man who is married to God.

Based upon what Baha'u'llah wrote, God has is one and alone and has no partners, so there can be no marriage between God and Jesus.

“And now concerning thy reference to the existence of two Gods. Beware, beware, lest thou be led to join partners with the Lord, thy God. He is, and hath from everlasting been, one and alone, without peer or equal, eternal in the past, eternal in the future, detached from all things, ever-abiding, unchangeable, and self-subsisting. He hath assigned no associate unto Himself in His Kingdom, no counsellor to counsel Him, none to compare unto Him, none to rival His glory. To this every atom of the universe beareth witness, and beyond it the inmates of the realms on high, they that occupy the most exalted seats, and whose names are remembered before the Throne of Glory.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 192

 

[WonderingWorrier]

It means that all the attributes of of God such as Good, Loving, Gracious, Merciful, Just, Righteous, Forgiving, Patient, etc were perfectly reflected in Jesus, so Jesus was a mirror image of God (Colossians 1:15).

The word of God displays both sides good and evil. If you disregard all the evil verses in the bible then it shows you don't understand the good verses.


Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

Based upon what Baha'u'llah wrote, God has is one and alone and has no partners, so there can be no marriage between God and Jesus.

Then consider the last words of David:
The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue. 2 Samuel 23:2

 

[Brian2]

We've seen this before, variously arguing
against the world scientific community
on such as the six day poof, flood, evolution.

In all such fields as physics, geology,
Biology, scientists are simply wrong
to the core or at worst, minions of Satan.

Is it science to ignore the Bible and come up with an independent answer for why Yahweh worship and Baal worship was happening together in Israel/Canaan?
Surely it is just the assumption that the Jewish religion came from other religions and was not given them by Yahweh.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

When you look around it is clear that religions founded recently are either based on previous religions or are Invented from scratch . The latter is exemplified by Scientology. A half way house might be seen as Christian Science, which is a personal take and fresh look at Christianity. which rejects the Deity of Jesus. ( though many religions do that)

It is probably true that most of the traditional middle eastern religions are a reworking of previous religious concepts.
I am sure that this is true of Judaism and Christianity and Islam. The more ancient beliefs tended to be both local and specific. and resulted in a multitude of Gods.

When you think about it there is no greater likelihood for there to be only one god or many gods. There is no actual proof of any gods at all, they are always a matter of pure faith.
There is no reason to suppose that Gods do not have wives or husbands or that others may be totally asexual.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is it science to ignore the Bible and come up with an independent answer for why Yahweh worship and Baal worship was happening together in Israel/Canaan?
Surely it is just the assumption that the Jewish religion came from other religions and was not given them by Yahweh.

No, it i s not just an assumption. I would suggest that you read the articles in the OP.

 

[Audie]

Is it science to ignore the Bible and come up with an independent answer for why Yahweh worship and Baal worship was happening together in Israel/Canaan?
Surely it is just the assumption that the Jewish religion came from other religions and was not given them by Yahweh.

Hmm. I dont know how one would research
that. Never thought about it- how do we know
about Baal,or anything about worship in those dsys?

It is not a thing with science to just ignore things.

Of course in the absence of evidence for a thing,
there is no thing there to ignore.

If someone just assumes a connection then
of course its just an assumption.

I don't know why anyone would assume their
religion was given by yahweh. Do you?
And assume that the countless other
religions / gods were not. That is some
heavy duty assuming.

On the average, especially for an atheist
the working assumption does not involve any god.

God., let's flip your question around.

Is it rational to ignore science and insist that a
Bible story is correct?

 

[1213]

But the Bible says, "The ONLY begotten son of god so how can god have several sons despite Job saying "When the SONS OF GOD came to stand...."

Contradiction?

No. There can be many sons of God, and according to the Bible, all righteous people are God’s children. However, Jesus is the only begotten son. There is no other son of God who is born the same way, but it does not mean there are no other children of God.

…Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

....If secular Biblical scholars find a 5000 year old figurine of Asherah in a Canaanite archeological and tablets with Yahweh inscribed on them it doesn't matter what the Bible says. This is archeological evidence says Yahweh was a Canaanite god. The Bible as a source of evidence is irrelevant....

One could as well say those tablets are irrelevant.

 

[Audie]

No. There can be many sons of God, and according to the Bible, all righteous people are God’s children. However, Jesus is the only begotten son. There is no other son of God who is born the same way, but it does not mean there are no other children of God.

…Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10



One could as well say those tablets are irrelevant.

To a Believer, anything that doesn't match
Faith is irrelevant.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

No. There can be many sons of God, and according to the Bible, all righteous people are God’s children. However, Jesus is the only begotten son. There is no other son of God who is born the same way, but it does not mean there are no other children of God.

…Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10



One could as well say those tablets are irrelevant.

1 John is contradictory because in one part it says, "If you're born of God you don't sin: and then it says "But if you DO sin...."

And how can ancient artifacts that point to Ashera being Yahweh's wife be irrelevant????? Doesn't make sense.

 

[Jacques de Molay]

This confirms that Christianity and Judaism (and most likely Islam) are meant to be monolatrous, certainly not monotheistic. Like you can't wipe out the rest of existence all of a sudden by mere wishful thinking.

I do hold that there are those that go deeper and see a Oneness like with Brahman.

Actually, it confirms nothing other than another atheistic hypothesis based on wishful thinking...

 

[Jacques de Molay]

To a Believer, anything that doesn't match
Faith is irrelevant.

Ditto to an atheist...

 

[Jacques de Molay]

Never in my wildest imagination when I was a Christian would I have believed that Jesus' Father, Yahweh actually originated in the Canaanite lands in pre-Israel times. That would make Yahweh a pagan god which the ancient Hebrews apparently adopted as their god. More shocking, Yahweh had a wife/consort named Asherah which would make Asherah Jesus' mom.

"Initially [Yahweh] seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El. Canaanite inscriptions mention a lesser god Yahweh and even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that “the Most High, El, gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief."

Yahweh <<<<link

So it turns out the early Hebrews were part of the Canaanite culture, although Genesis claims Abraham their patriarch came from the Sumerian city of Ur. And when they broke away from the Canaanites they adopted Yahweh as their chief war god although Yahweh originally was a lesser god from a pantheon of Canaanite gods including their chief god, El and Baal, Asherah and Astarte.

Moreover, Yahweh had a wife. She was worshiped alongside Yahweh. The Old Testament mentions her several times. It wasn't until the Babylonian captivity that Yahweh basically "divorced" her in the sense that the Jews became monotheistic at that point.

"God had a wife, Asherah, whom the Book of Kings suggests was worshipped alongside Yahweh in his temple in Israel, according to an Oxford scholar. She bases her theory on ancient texts, amulets and figurines unearthed primarily in the ancient Canaanite coastal city called Ugarit, now modern-day Syria. All of these artifacts reveal that Asherah was a powerful fertility goddess."

Did God have a wife? Scholar says that he did <<<<link

Did God Have a Wife? - Wikipedia <<<<link

I'm curious to hear what Christians here think about their god originally being a pagan god and having a wife who, if we are to believe the strong scholarship supporting this, was the one who gave birth to Jesus. So Jesus wasn't begotten, he was a product of celestial sex.

I don't think much of it, at all.

It's just one person hypothesis, based on an internet website.

So, yeah...Let's stack that against a mountain of legitimate scholarship to the contrary...

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

I don't think much of it, at all.

It's just one person hypothesis, based on an internet website.

So, yeah...Let's stack that against a mountain of legitimate scholarship to the contrary...

Please do tell us what the "legitimate" scholarship to the contrary is, since not a single secular historian recorded Jesus or his miracles within 60 years of his life.

 

[Truthseeker]

I do hear some say Jesus is a man.
I do hear some say Jesus is God.
I do hear some say Jesus is part man - part God.

But do you think if Jesus united with God and then God spoke through Jesus then all three views could be equally correct without contradicting each other?

Is that a logical and reasonable point of view to have?

That makes sense to me as I understand being united with God. I'm a Baha'i also like Trailblazer, but maybe see the word "united" in a different way. I don't mean that Jesus is an equal partner with God, or knows God's essence. To me, it means He is united with all the attributes or qualities of God, knows His purpose concerning mankind. and is the spokesperson for God. I don't know how Trailblazer sees the word united in this context. I don't know exactly what you mean by being united with God.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Naturally satan is behind it. Satan is behind everything Christians don't like to hear. I suppose satan planted those old antiquities of Asherah in the archeological digs 5000 years ago so archeologists would dig them up today and come to conclusions that are just satan's lies to trick people, right? "It's a trick of the devil". I guess that's still alive and well in 2021.

Just because someone found some antiquities doesn't make their conclusions right. Satan's goal is to cause unbelief.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Just because someone found some antiquities doesn't make their conclusions right. Satan's goal is to cause unbelief.

Well, it's the opinion of many people in the know that satan doesn't even exist. Lots of scholars say he was just a boogeyman invented by Biblical writers to take the blame off God for causing man's fall in Eden. Please try to understand, it wasn't Adam and Eve's fault that they sinned, it was God's. He put the tree there, he put them next to it and he said, "don't eat" knowing full well they would. Not much different from a father putting a loaded gun next to a kid and saying to him, "Don't put that in your mouth and pull the trigger. Something bad will happen" What do you think the kid is going to do? Put the barrel in his mouth and pull the trigger, what else. But religious leaders had to get god off the hook for all this so suddenly it's "Satan did this" and "satan did that". Poor ol' satan. guy can't catch a break, can he?

 

[Audie]

Just because someone found some antiquities doesn't make their conclusions right. Satan's goal is to cause unbelief.

Just coz you got a moldy old book
(Historical fiction plus magic realism)
with no supporting evidence for the magic
makes your chosen interpretation of said book
infallible truth?

Interestingly, one finding of an
"Antiquity" is all it would take to
disprove that fiendish theory of evolution.

Just find something g like a Cambrian bunny.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Just coz you got a moldy old book
(Historical fiction plus magic realism)
with no supporting evidence for the magic
makes your chosen interpretation of said book
infallible truth?

Interestingly, one finding of an
"Antiquity" is all it would take to
disprove that fiendish theory of evolution.

Just find something g like a Cambrian bunny.

Lots of supporting evidence in the form of fulfilled prophecy.

 

[Audie]

Lots of supporting evidence in the form of fulfilled prophecy.

Right.
Failed ones don't count.
Ones that anyone could figure, like that the
Romans would get sick of the jews, thats magic.

Evidence needs more than an opinion,
especially when balanced against nonsense like "flood " that is so disproved so many ways
that nobody with education would possibly believe it.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Right.
Failed ones don't count.
Ones that anyone could figure, like that the
Romans would get sick of the jews, thats magic.

Evidence needs more than an opinion,
especially when balanced against nonsense like "flood " that is so disproved so many ways
that nobody with education would possibly believe it.

Like the old saying - None so blind as those who will not see.