Shocked To Find Out Yahweh Was Originally A Canaanite God Who Had A Wife, Asherah

[Audie]

Like the old saying - None so blind as those who will not see.

Cool that you realize that.

It's what it takes to be a floodie.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Cool that you realize that.

It's what it takes to be a floodie.

How would someone PROVE there was OR was not a flood? If you have proof for your view please provide it.

 

[Audie]

How would someone PROVE there was OR was not a flood? If you have proof for your view please provide it.

That is super easy.

Prove there was a flood, volcanic eruption,
dinosaurs? Look at the geological evidence!

Ancient dried up lake beds, long ago
buried and now eroding out again are as easy to read as a book. Old river beds, fossil
beaches, volcanic rock and ash, you
can see it, and a specialist can read it the way a doctor can read clogged arteries.

You can find fossil raindrop splatters but
Nowhere is evidence of a world wide flood.

That is a sign. Kind of like if the claim
that a herd of ekephants savaged your petunias
will leave sign if they were there, and its a
Sign they were not there if the police find all in good order.

Proof there was no flood? Polar ice would have floated away, but its still right where it has been,
some of it overv100 000 users old.

Kind of like the petunias that are still there.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Is everyone in this thread having fun? How much fun on a scale from -10 to 10 with zero meaning neither fun or not fun. Remember to @ me in case I don't see the post. Or quote me.

I'm just curious. Its nothing official or important.

 

[VoidCat]

Is everyone in this thread having fun? How much fun on a scale from -10 to 10 with zero meaning neither fun or not fun. Remember to @ me in case I don't see the post. Or quote me.

I'm just curious. Its nothing official or important.

I am watching... @Brickjectivity I would say a 6

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Lots of supporting evidence in the form of fulfilled prophecy.

Sorry but it has never been demonstrated that any prophecy has been fulfilled. Quite the opposite, many prophecies were not fulfilled. Ezekiel prophesied the imminent doom of the city of Tyre (Ezek. 26:1-21). However, the prophecy against Tyre was NOT fulfilled. Bingo!

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

I find it interesting that after roughly 100 responses from Christians, not one responded when I asked them to provide a secular Biblical scholar's opinion that Yahweh was particular only to the Israelites and did not originate from a pagan source. Nobody provided me with a single one. I guess that proves in spades that the evidence is overwhelming that Yahweh was indeed a pagan god adopted by the Hebrews as their god, which means basically that the god of the Bible was created by a pagan culture, namely the Canaanites.

 

[Batya]

I find it interesting that after roughly 100 responses from Christians, not one responded when I asked them to provide a secular Biblical scholar's opinion that Yahweh was particular only to the Israelites and did not originate from a pagan source. Nobody provided me with a single one. I guess that proves in spades that the evidence is overwhelming that Yahweh was indeed a pagan god adopted by the Hebrews as their god, which means basically that the god of the Bible was created by a pagan culture, namely the Canaanites.

That's fine and good to think if you don't believe YHWH was actually a God. If he really is, there would be no such proof.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

How would someone PROVE there was OR was not a flood? If you have proof for your view please provide it.

Kangaroos would be a good start. If the pair were released on Mt. Ararat did they hop all the way to Australia without dying? Or did it take a century to get there and they had babies along the way? Wouldn't the kangaroos have stopped somewhere in Asia and just called that home, or failing that wouldn't we have seena lot of kangaroo bones along the way to Australia? And once they got to the end of the road in Malaysia how did they hop all the Indonesian islands to get to Australia. The wild gyrations a Christian has to go through to get them there is beyond laughable. It's very sad. My Christian cousin once said, "Maybe God built a giant bridge and then caused it to sink."

 

[WonderingWorrier]

How would someone PROVE there was OR was not a flood? If you have proof for your view please provide it.

The river is at a higher level than the sea.
Just as the hill is at a higher level than the valley.

Valley - Hill - Mountain
Sea - River - Stream
Corn - Oil - Wine.

Some will hear the sound of the mountain stream.

The sea was made to be a higher level than the earth.
Noah reached mountain and drank wine.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

The river is at a higher level than the sea.
Just as the hill is at a higher level than the valley.

Valley - Hill - Mountain
Sea - River - Stream
Corn - Oil - Wine.

Some will hear the sound of the mountain stream.

The sea was made to be a higher level than the earth.
Noah reached mountain and drank wine.

 

[Clara Tea]

Quran was frank on this from the start about the deviation of Judaism and Christianity off the true path to abandoning the teachings of Moses on the side of Jews and polytheism from the side of Christianity by presuming Jesus is God or son of God. The necessity of Muhammad mission stemmed from this major wandering to a pristine religion since the last 15 centuries based on Pure Monotheism. Monotheism in Islam is not only worshiping gods, goddesses or statues. It is more wider. It means no god except him and most importantly, the monotheist needs to fears no one but God, to supplicate to no one but God, to call in prayer no one but God, to rely on no one but God. These meanings were implemented in one of the greatest first chapter in Quran (Surat Alfatiha) verse 1.5
verse 1.5

Of course there are minor differences between the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim religions. Yet, all derived from the same God.

Sure, the Christians believe that Jesus is the Messiah. But, remember, the prediction of a Messiah was in the Jewish religion, and the prediction was written in Hebrew (a language which the Jews were experts). Jews merely chose to believe that Jesus hadn't fulfilled their predictions of a Messiah.

Instead of focusing on the minor little differences, you should focus on the commonalities. Differences tend to promulgate hatred and anger. Remember Al-Fatihah: "not of those against whom there is anger."

If the Muslim religion comes from the Jewish religion, it behooves Muslims to attend Jewish Temples and learn the roots of their religion. Also, they should discuss with learned rabbis why they don't accept Jesus as the Messiah. Through peaceful discourse one can forge perceptions more clearly.

 

[Clara Tea]

1. early Hebrews were a wandering nomadic tribe and they settled among the Canaanites in the Levant. Naturally they adopted the Canaanite gods for their own

2. Yahweh is not pagan. He was from time immemorial the only true God of the universe and Christianity is His chosen religion. See? That's what it says here in the Bible. See that?" but they're offering no solid secular Biblical scholarship from respected secular historians who say Yahweh was not a Canaanite deity. How can they? There isn't any, so they're stuck with the Bible and their own preconceived set of beliefs that have been hammered into them from the cradle.

Canaan - Wikipedia

Link says: Canaan was a Semitic-speaking civilization. Israelis exterminated the Canaanites. Mark Smith claims that archaeological data suggests that "the Israelite culture was largely Canaanite." Greeks knew Canaanites as Phoenicians. Once ousted from Canaan, the Canaanites settled Carthage.

Thank you for discussing this with me. It forced me to look up things and learn more.

However, it seems upsetting to some that you claim that God is the one true God. Don't other people have a right to make the same claim about their Gods? Do they have to be called heathen or their religion Pagan?

I think that the Phoenicians (aka Carthaginians) settled the Azores, as well, but were wiped out by plate tectonics since the Mid Oceanic ridge goes through the Azores (and, by the way, goes through Iceland, where the mid-oceanic ridge rises out of the water).

 

[Clara Tea]

Yes, as opposed to a real ape.

Maybe the apples were meant for apes? Manles would be for man?

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Canaan - Wikipedia

Link says: Canaan was a Semitic-speaking civilization. Israelis exterminated the Canaanites. Mark Smith claims that archaeological data suggests that "the Israelite culture was largely Canaanite." Greeks knew Canaanites as Phoenicians. Once ousted from Canaan, the Canaanites settled Carthage.

Thank you for discussing this with me. It forced me to look up things and learn more.

However, it seems upsetting to some that you claim that God is the one true God. Don't other people have a right to make the same claim about their Gods? Do they have to be called heathen or their religion Pagan?

I think that the Phoenicians (aka Carthaginians) settled the Azores, as well, but were wiped out by plate tectonics since the Mid Oceanic ridge goes through the Azores (and, by the way, goes through Iceland, where the mid-oceanic ridge rises out of the water).

I claimed that God is the one true God??????? Being an agnostic I don't even know if there is a one true God. But if there is, it is a deist god, I am convinced. That what I thought I've always said.

 

[1213]

1 John is contradictory because in one part it says, "If you're born of God you don't sin: and then it says "But if you DO sin...."

Yes, for person who sin, there is still a way back and all hope is not lost. Person can become righteous, even if he has previously been unrighteous. I think there is no contradiction in that.

And how can ancient artifacts that point to Ashera being Yahweh's wife be irrelevant????? Doesn't make sense.

Makes as much sense as to claim Bible is irrelevant. It is possible for example that those artifacts are misinterpret, fakes or false. Is your only reason to believe they are correct that it would make Bible look wrong?

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Sorry but it has never been demonstrated that any prophecy has been fulfilled. Quite the opposite, many prophecies were not fulfilled. Ezekiel prophesied the imminent doom of the city of Tyre (Ezek. 26:1-21). However, the prophecy against Tyre was NOT fulfilled. Bingo!

Yes it was fulfilled. The original area where Tyre was is no longer inhabited. Just because a place close to it was given the same name of Tyre and is now inhabited, doesn't mean the prophecy wasn't fulfilled.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Yes it was fulfilled. The original area where Tyre was is no longer inhabited. Just because a place close to it was given the same name of Tyre and is now inhabited, doesn't mean the prophecy wasn't fulfilled.

I think I gave a citation for my quote. I can give you another one if you wish.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Yes, for person who sin, there is still a way back and all hope is not lost. Person can become righteous, even if he has previously been unrighteous. I think there is no contradiction in that.



Makes as much sense as to claim Bible is irrelevant. It is possible for example that those artifacts are misinterpret, fakes or false. Is your only reason to believe they are correct that it would make Bible look wrong?

I never said "The Bible is irrelevant". Please point that out to me if I did.

 

[Baroodi]

Of course there are minor differences between the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim religions. Yet, all derived from the same God.

Sure, the Christians believe that Jesus is the Messiah. But, remember, the prediction of a Messiah was in the Jewish religion, and the prediction was written in Hebrew (a language which the Jews were experts). Jews merely chose to believe that Jesus hadn't fulfilled their predictions of a Messiah.

Instead of focusing on the minor little differences, you should focus on the commonalities. Differences tend to promulgate hatred and anger. Remember Al-Fatihah: "not of those against whom there is anger."

If the Muslim religion comes from the Jewish religion, it behooves Muslims to attend Jewish Temples and learn the roots of their religion. Also, they should discuss with learned rabbis why they don't accept Jesus as the Messiah. Through peaceful discourse one can forge perceptions more clearly.

Thanks Clrara

Islam co-exists in total peace with all other religions, even with non-believers as long as mutual respect prevails between all parties. This was confirmed by Quran in many verses like (Say: O you unbelievers, I don`t worship what you are worshiping. Nor you worshiping what I worship), another verse says ( Allah (God) does not forbid you to deal amicably with those who do not fight you or drive you out of your homes) , the addresses are Muslim believers talked to by God in revelation. Islam can exists in peace with all factions but can not emerge with their doctrine for principal difference in the concept of monotheism. This is the backbone on which the whole Islamic religion is established. Any deviation from this monotheism means delusion that behooves as per Islam God anger and the withdraw of his blessings.

Thanks Clara