shooting in OKC

[David1967]

This happened earlier this evening. A man walked into a restaurant at Lake Hefner in Oklahoma city around 6:00 pm and opened fire wounding two that I know of at this point. Before he could do more damage he was confronted by an armed citizen who shot him dead. Thank God for this hero or it may well have been worse. So far the only dead is the bad guy. Friends and relatives are thanking the individual for saving lives of their loved ones that were in the restaurant. Any shooting is bad but it's good to have a positive outcome this time.

 

[Revoltingest]

This happened earlier this evening. A man walked into a restaurant at Lake Hefner in Oklahoma city around 6:00 pm and opened fire wounding two that I know of at this point. Before he could do more damage he was confronted by an armed citizen who shot him dead. Thank God for this hero or it may well have been worse. So far the only dead is the bad guy. Friends and relatives are thanking the individual for saving lives of their loved ones that were in the restaurant. Any shooting is bad but it's good to have a positive outcome this time.

That cannot possibly be. People here keep telling me that gun owners
would be to scared to shoot, but if they did, they'd hit an innocent bystander.

 

[David1967]

That cannot possibly be. Peoplek here keep telling me that gun owners
would be to cared to shoot, but if they did, they'd hit an innocent bystander.

I was at my parents house when the news started coming in that shots were being fired at the restaurant at Lake Hefner (I've been there). My heart sank. And then shortly the news that an armed citizen took the guy out. So no. Thankfully not afraid to shoot or who knows what I would be seeing now. They are now saying four injured. Two from gunshot. Two from falling while trying to get to safety.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

That cannot possibly be. Peoplek here keep telling me that gun owners
would be to cared to shoot, but if they did, they'd hit an innocent bystander.

 

[Sunstone]

Glad to hear that, in this case, an armed citizen prevented a much greater tragedy from unfolding. It's always a good thing when further loss of life is prevented.

I personally wouldn't bet on armed citizens, though. Folks got very lucky here.

 

[David1967]

Glad to hear that, in this case, an armed citizen prevented a much greater tragedy from unfolding. It's always a good thing when further loss of life is prevented.

I personally wouldn't bet on armed citizens, though. Folks got very lucky here.

Considering the alternative, I call this a major win. No word of a motive yet.

 

[Deeje]

Glad to hear that, in this case, an armed citizen prevented a much greater tragedy from unfolding. It's always a good thing when further loss of life is prevented.

I personally wouldn't bet on armed citizens, though. Folks got very lucky here.

Yep, one good outcome (obviously not for the shooter) doesn't undo all the horrible carnage from crazy people with access to deadly weapons. The ultimate goal is not to kill the killer but to disarm him and to get him some help if the incident is the result of mental health issues. Making weapons harder to procure for those who, (to date) have been the perpetrators, would have been better....no? Nutters will always find 'weapons' but a knife or a iron bar is not going to do the same amount of damage as an automatic rifle....is it?

How many terrorists use guns? How is a gun going to stop a bomb or a plane?

 

[Spiderman]

the police didn't arrest the armed man that shot him did they?

 

[David1967]

the police didn't arrest the armed man that shot him did they?

No they did not. Thankfully he was there.

 

[Sunstone]

Considering the alternative, I call this a major win. No word of a motive yet.

I agree this is a major win. Hands down, that's the case.

Currently, there averages more than one mass shooting per day in the US. We cannot reasonably expect a competent and level headed armed citizen to be present for every mass shooting, nor even for a significant percentage of them --- nor for the armed citizen or citizens to each time prevail.

 

[Cacotopia]

The modern modern west is fast and soon arriving. I wonder when duels will become commonplace.

 

[Kapalika]

I agree this is a major win. Hands down, that's the case.

Currently, there averages more than one mass shooting per day in the US. We cannot reasonably expect a competent and level headed armed citizen to be present for every mass shooting, nor even for a significant percentage of them.

We could if we had more gun education. I've proposed in the past that there be a mandatory gun safety and education program all prospective gun owners take. We already do this for cars ect and heavy machinery.

 

[Kapalika]

The modern modern west is fast and soon arriving. I wonder when duels will become commonplace.

That would be pretty awesome and could solve a lot of problems, not gonna lie. President Andrew Jackson dueled Charles Dickinson to the death over an accusation of cheating a horse race and insulting his wife. Satan bless the USA.

This actually happened around this time of the year, too Andrew Jackson kills Charles Dickinson in duel - May 30, 1806 - HISTORY.com

Jackson was not prosecuted for murder, and the duel had very little effect on his successful campaign for the presidency in 1829. Many American men in the early 1800s, particularly in the South, viewed dueling as a time-honored tradition. In 1804, Thomas Jefferson’s vice president Aaron Burr had also avoided murder charges after killing former Treasury secretary and founding father Alexander Hamilton in a duel. In fact, Rachel’s divorce raised more of a scandal in the press and in parlors than the killing of Dickinson.

Seems to me, it's a tradition that could come back!

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

This happened earlier this evening. A man walked into a restaurant at Lake Hefner in Oklahoma city around 6:00 pm and opened fire wounding two that I know of at this point. Before he could do more damage he was confronted by an armed citizen who shot him dead. Thank God for this hero or it may well have been worse. So far the only dead is the bad guy. Friends and relatives are thanking the individual for saving lives of their loved ones that were in the restaurant. Any shooting is bad but it's good to have a positive outcome this time.

"Positive" outcome?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Considering the alternative, I call this a major win. No word of a motive yet.

The alternative? You mean, like, not having mass shootings? Like every other country in the developed world? Yeah, that would be terrible

 

[oldbadger]

That cannot possibly be. Peoplek here keep telling me that gun owners
would be to cared to shoot, but if they did, they'd hit an innocent bystander.

Gosh! So those folks have all been proved wrong by this incident and you people in the US can just carry on, jogging along with everything as it is now? I never realised it could be so simple!
That's just wonderful........ but we might be asking for your comments when the next mass murder occurs........ ok?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Glad to hear that, in this case, an armed citizen prevented a much greater tragedy from unfolding. It's always a good thing when further loss of life is prevented.

I personally wouldn't bet on armed citizens, though. Folks got very lucky here.

Just look at the recent Texas shooting. Trained, armed cops on scene, still 10 people dead. It's almost like... maybe there's more to a solution to this than just adding more guns?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Gosh! So those folks have all been proved wrong by this incident and you people in the US can just carry on, jogging along with everything as it is now? I never realised it could be so simple!
That's just wonderful........ but we might be asking for your comments when the next mass murder occurs........ ok?

You know how the talking point/news cycle goes. History only exists as far back as the most recent incident.

Edit; unless the incident involved Muslims or black people, of course. Then you can cite it at any time as though it just happened.

 

[Sunstone]

Just look at the recent Texas shooting. Trained, armed cops on scene, still 10 people dead. It's almost like... maybe there's more to a solution to this than just adding more guns?

Nope! There's no more to it than more guns. More guns is the solution to everything. Heck, you ain't thinking straight. That's is, you're using your brains to think and not your attachment to your firearms to do your thinking for you.

 

[Jumi]

The alternative? You mean, like, not having mass shootings? Like every other country in the developed world? Yeah, that would be terrible

Mass shootings are in other countries, just not on epidemic levels. Last mass shooting in my country was with an illegal(stolen) gun. The country has 5 millions people, so at one point having 3 mass shootings in 3 years seemed pretty high. Lucky the others have been caught before they could carry out their plans.