Putting it to a vote is how we allow people to decide for themselves. That's how democracy works.
Why are you opposed to democracy?
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Should a Convicted Felon Be Allowed to Remain on the Presidential Ballot?
- Thread starter SalixIncendium
- Start date
Why are you opposed to democracy?
Frankly, when you say "being morons in the name of freedom," I don't think about allowing ex-cons to run for office. The first thing that comes to mind is indulging the anti-democratic crap you're proposing right now.
There are worse things in a political candidate than a criminal conviction as a youth... such as direspecting the electorate (as you're doing right now).
My premier was famously a mid-level drug dealer in his 20s, but he was never convicted of any crimes (I suspect because of the influence of his rich and connected father). Would someone who had committed the same crimes but came from a poor family have made a worse premier? If you think so, justify your opinion.
PureX
Veteran Member
But we weren't talking about putting it to a vote. We were talking about convincing other people to vote as we would vote.
Why can't you pose an honest rebuttal?
PureX
Veteran Member
Only morons would allow known criminals to seek positions of power and authority in their society because they just blindly assume they will not abuse it.
Again, a sane society does not destroy itself in the name of an ideology.
If the justice system is not just, then the solution is to fix it, not to allow criminals to attain positions of power because the justice system is unjust.
You're opposed to campaigning now, too?
It was honest. Is your ego getting in the way of recognizing this?
PureX
Veteran Member
So, you want to campaign to allow criminals to run for office? And you can't see how moronic that is? And how insane it would be for a society that agreed to it?
It was idiotic.
I'm just dumbfounded by the willful stupidity of it.
I don't want them to be blocked by law from running for office.
Cut the trolling or this conversation is over.
Any criminal that wouldn't get votes doesn't need to be prohibited by law from running; they're already not getting elected. Laws like this are only for cases where an ex-felon would actually be electable.
Remember that figures like these would have been ineligible to run if ex-felons were prohibited from office:
- Nelson Mandela
- Aung Sun Su Kyi
- Mahatma Gandhi
- Vaclav Havel
... and missing the list by a hair, Martin Luther King (he was tried for a felony, but acquitted).
PureX
Veteran Member
Why do you want criminals in positions of power and authority? Do you hate your own society that much?
Do you think we should allow criminals to attain positions of power because someday a convicted "hero" might want to run? Don't you think that's quite a stupid plan given the fact that there are thousands of criminals that would love to attain positions of power and then abuse that power for their own gain, while your "convicted hero" would be an extremely rare circumstance.
Also, if that "convicted hero" did come along, and the majority wanted them put in a position of power, we could simply vote to make an exception in that instance. That way we wouldn't have to allow all sorts of criminals to abuse the system (and us) and yet we could still have our convicted hero if we really wanted him or her. Right?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Your right as I was in two different jury pools at different times some years ago, thus I heard the repeated questioning of the potential jurors, and that is exactly what both sets of lawyers were doing.
McBell
Unbound
Where does this irrational fear of convicts come from?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I would gladly and proudly vote for Thomas Paine.
I have a federal felony...so I'll be sure not to count on your vote if I ever were to run for public office. Not that I'd ever court the vote of such a callous, rigid and impractical person such as yourself. These things are not black and white, and there is still systemic injustice towards various groups in the justice system or in society as a whole, such as minorities and the poor, who are disportionately convicted.
Even the courts now realize that there's many different unfortunate scenarios that can lead a person to break a law, and the judge factors one's life experiences and circumstances into their ruling. Not all laws are broken out of maliciousness or intent to harm anyone. Many crimes don't involve harming anyone (although the law can include abstract entities such as the government that can be "harmed").
So you just don't know what you're talking about. I can understand wanting to restrict violent criminals, but at that point, you might as well just incarcerate them if they can't be trusted to have the same rights as everyone else in society.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yeah. People arrested.for things like MLK and Bernie Sanders shouldn't matter. Those like Al Capone or Jim Jones, yeah we probably do need some formal restrictions against certain types from running, particularly those who belong separated and kept away from society at large because they are too dangerous to roam freely.
PureX
Veteran Member
The crimes they committed against other people.
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PureX
Veteran Member
You should not be allowed to gain any positions of power and authority over others, as you have already proven yourself to be too irresponsible in that regard. And the fact that you still think you should or could be afforded that authority only proves my point.
Yes, I know you're a nasty person. What else is new. I already said you were callous, just keep confirming it. Your opinion is worthless because you don't know **** about what you're talking about or really anything about me. And you pretend to be some sort of Christian or influenced by it. Just another hypocrite, and Jesus made it clear what he thinks of your ilk - into the hellfire you go. He was an executed criminal himself. So your own savior shouldn't have any power or authority. You really are a parody. Go screw yourself, honestly.
And no, I won't apologize or take it back. You insult me, don't expect niceness. I don't turn the other cheek. You've been spewing puritanical hatred and judgemental garbage for literally years on this forum. I know I've had enough of reading it.
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Laniakea
Not of this world
It worked for Nelson Mandela. He was even celebrated for it.
PureX
Veteran Member
See, you are still refusing to take responsibility for your own flaws. This is why you should never be put in charge of anyone else's well-being.
Mandela wasn't a conman, chronic lair, cheater, or authoritarian. He fought for the rights of his countrymen and was imprisoned for it. Nothing about Trump, including his race, resembles Mandela. When Mandela was released and elected, he unified his nation and was an effective leader. He didn't motivate citizens to attack his government, he supported his national rugby team who went on to win the world cup as underdogs in 1995. The national team was mostly white and reviled by black citizens. But Mandela's open support for the team opened the door to a unified feeling, and broght national pride to all citizens. This is why he is celebrated. Trump is remembered for his January 6 attack on our nation. He's known for fraud. He's known as a liar, a coman, a cheater, and mentally flawed.
Mandela, Lomu and a Rugby World Cup final that went beyond sport
On 24 June 1995, New Zealand and South Africa walked out at Ellis Park for a historic Rugby World Cup final. On Saturday in Paris they meet again
McBell
Unbound
Ah, to personal to share.
Fair enough.