Should a Convicted Felon Be Allowed to Remain on the Presidential Ballot?

[PureX]

No because then someone could Trump up charges and what would happen if a law against moral turpitude was passed.

If our justice system is that corrupt, it will make no difference what the laws say about criminals running for office. Because they will ALL be criminals.

If our justice system is relatively fair and functional, then we should most certainly have laws barring criminals from seeking public office. As well as from seeking many other positions involving vested authority.

Once a person has shown themselves to be unworthy of such authority, only a very stupid society would allow them to obtain it.

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

Well I'm not aware of any violent action going on on a mass scale as of yet.

 

[Wandering Monk]

If our justice system is that corrupt, it will make no difference what the laws say about criminals running for office. Because they will ALL be criminals.

If our justice system is relatively fair and functional, then we should most certainly have laws barring criminals from seeking public office. As well as from seeking many other positions involving vested authority.

If they have done their sentence, I think they should still be allowed to vote and run for office.

 

[PureX]

If they have done their sentence, I think they should still be allowed to vote and run for office.

I understand YOUR desire to forgive and forget. But I don't think any one of us has the right to impose that ideal on the rest of society, and expect them to bear that risk. Especially when our current justice system is such a dismal failure at actually rehabilitating criminality.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I understand YOUR desire to forgive and forget. But I don't think any one of us has the right to impose that ideal on the rest of society, and expect them to bear that risk. Especially when our current justice system is such a dismal failure at actually rehabilitating criminality.

If I can convince a majority of people to my opinion, should that be ignored?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Should such laws exist? Why or why not?

How should any American have been allowed to run for office after the Revolution, having committed treason against their lawful King? Maybe the Framers had such a thought at the backs of their minds.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

A president can be impeached for 'high crimes and misdemeanors.' One would think that a felon would be ineligible.

Impeachment in Congress is a political, not criminal, proceeding. Congress can't sentence anyone to prison. It can, however, bar them from ever holding public office.

It's an interesting quirk, however, that while a (non-impeached) felon can be elected to public office, in many states he couldn't vote for himself (or anyone else).

 

[McBell]

I understand YOUR desire to forgive and forget. But I don't think any one of us has the right to impose that ideal on the rest of society, and expect them to bear that risk. Especially when our current justice system is such a dismal failure at actually rehabilitating criminality.

What risk?
Their voting for someone you dislike?
Them winning an election?

 

[Tomef]

Should a convicted felon be allowed to remain in the presidential ballot? Why or why not?

Convictions aside, he’s gone full idiot in his post verdict rants. That’s he’s still running for prez is no surprise, the astonishing thing is that anyone would want such a worthless human being running the show. His whole life is just one litany of using and defrauding others.

 

[Stonetree]

z Cxaxva

 

[fantome profane]

z Cxaxva

Can't argue with that.

 

[Stonetree]

Can't argue with that.

You're agreeing with me nodding off.....
I've even woke up to find I've printed
out some of my nonsense.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I understand YOUR desire to forgive and forget. But I don't think any one of us has the right to impose that ideal on the rest of society, and expect them to bear that risk. Especially when our current justice system is such a dismal failure at actually rehabilitating criminality.

Denying the electorate the opportunity to vote for a candidate is the option that involves imposing ideals on society. Limiting democratic rights is something that should only be done in the most extreme of circumstances.

Someone in prison is, generally, physically incapable of carrying out their duties as an elected official. This isn't the case for someone who's been released. Individual voters are free to hold grudges against candidates as they see fit; if enough of the voters feel the same way, the candidate won't get elected.

 

[fantome profane]

You're agreeing with me nodding off.....
I've even woke up to find I've printed
out some of my nonsense.

Didn't say I agreed, just said I couldn't argue with it. And that is simply factually true.

 

[Stonetree]

I have a concern about Trump's chance at a fair trial. How would a guy who has forced his name and bad reputation on NYC for years get a fair trial in the Big Apple? The jury may have formed their opinion before 'Deliberation.' There should have been a change of venue.

 

[Stonetree]

Didn't say I agreed, just said I couldn't argue with it. And that is simply factually true.

No, no, you're trying to dance on the head of a pin. Perhaps it's tactically true. I better make sure you know I'm joking.

 

[fantome profane]

I have a concern about Trump's chance at a fair trial. How would a guy who has forced his name and bad reputation on NYC for years get a fair trial in the Big Apple? The jury may have formed their opinion before 'Deliberation.' There should have been a change of venue.

Where? Where have people not formed opinions about Donald Trump?

The requirement to be a Juror is not that you must have no opinions, the Juror is required to set those opinions aside and base their verdict on the evidence and testimony presented in court. I believe this Jury did exactly that.

 

[fantome profane]

No, no, you're trying to dance on the head of a pin. Perhaps it's tactically true. I better make sure you know I'm joking.

I try to dance on the head of a pin every day.

I don't dance very well, but I try.

 

[Pogo]

I have a concern about Trump's chance at a fair trial. How would a guy who has forced his name and bad reputation on NYC for years get a fair trial in the Big Apple? The jury may have formed their opinion before 'Deliberation.' There should have been a change of venue.

Trump's federal appointees don't seem to think so.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/28/jan-6-appeals-court-ruling-00160137

 

[Stonetree]

Where? Where have people not formed opinions about Donald Trump?

The requirement to be a Juror is not that you must have no opinions, the Juror is required to set those opinions aside and base their verdict on the evidence and testimony presented in court. I believe this Jury did exactly that.

I am not sure I would have been fair if I had been a member of that jury. There is no way to hold Donald Trump responsible for his lies when the pandemic started. I believe he lied thinking he could keep the economy moving while not caring whatsoever about the threat to human life he was increasing with those lies.