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Should a woman's bodily autonomy be disregarded when it comes to pregnancy?

McBell

Admiral Obvious
I'm not a philosopher.
So we can as easily dismiss your claim of person including zygote?

I mean, you made the claim that you consider a zygote a person.
Yet you cannot even tell us how you define "person" that would include zygote.

There is no right or wrong here.
I am merely curious how it is you define person to include zygote.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
So we can as easily dismiss your claim of person including zygote?

I mean, you made the claim that you consider a zygote a person.
Yet you cannot even tell us how you define "person" that would include zygote.

There is no right or wrong here.
I am merely curious how it is you define person to include zygote.

Heather asked me what my opinion was on that and I answered. I just keep it simple and define a human as a person. I'm not all that knowledgeable about how a "person" is defined in philosophy and varying philosophies have varying ways of defining it, anyway.
 

McBell

Admiral Obvious
Heather asked me what my opinion was on that and I answered. I just keep it simple and define a human as a person. I'm not all that knowledgeable about how a "person" is defined in philosophy and varying philosophies have varying ways of defining it, anyway.
I am not asking you to present a philosophy that you agree with.
I am asking how you define person to include a zygote.

Your avoidance is most annoying.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I am not asking you to present a philosophy that you agree with.
I am asking how you define person to include a zygote.

Your avoidance is most annoying.

I'm not avoiding anything. I'm on here, talking to my mom and the dog is carrying on at the same time. Calm down.

Anyway, the zygote is a person because it is a human being. It doesn't "become" a human being. It is a human being from the moment of conception. It is simply at its earliest stage of development. Simply because it cannot perform certain functions is not a good standard to judge by because neither can newborns, young children or mentally or physically impaired people.
 

McBell

Admiral Obvious
I'm not avoiding anything. I'm on here, talking to my mom and the dog is carrying on at the same time. Calm down.

Anyway, the zygote is a person because it is a human being. It doesn't "become" a human being. It is a human being from the moment of conception. It is simply at its earliest stage of development. Simply because it cannot perform certain functions is not a good standard to judge by because neither can newborns, young children or mentally or physically impaired people.
Why is conception the magic moment?

BTW:
human being
(Homo sapiens), a culture-bearing primate that is anatomically similar and related to the other great apes but is distinguished by a more highly developed brain and a resultant capacity for articulate speech and abstract reasoning. In addition, human beings display a marked erectness of body carriage that frees the hands for use as manipulative members.

Source
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Why is conception the magic moment?

BTW:
human being
(Homo sapiens), a culture-bearing primate that is anatomically similar and related to the other great apes but is distinguished by a more highly developed brain and a resultant capacity for articulate speech and abstract reasoning. In addition, human beings display a marked erectness of body carriage that frees the hands for use as manipulative members.

Source

Because that's the moment when a new individual human comes into existence.
 

McBell

Admiral Obvious
You're right. We're perfectly capable of considering it a human being before its conception, but that only speaks all the louder about its position as "human."
Well, it is a living HUMAN sperm that joins with a living HUMAN ovum.

However, as was pointed out, conception is as close to that particular human persons beginning as we needs get.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
The legal issue (and it is most certainly a legal question) is whether the fetus' right to live and use the mother's body to do so outweighs the woman's right to bodily autonomy.
In Canada this isn't a problem. It is written into our constitution that no right outweighs another.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
If that cell is a zygote, yes. It's human, isn't it? It's just a human at the earliest stage of development.

So it's your position that it's immoral to kill this?

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