Should Christian churches be allowed in Muslim lands?

[michel]

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BTW, I voted "Yes, because religious freedom is a basic human right." treat others as you would wish them to treat you. Here, in the U.K, there is no restriction on Muslims building churches for Muslims....it would seem fair enough if we could be treated the same way in Muslim Countries..........Any comments ?​

 

[lilithu]

I dont think this topic is about Human Rights its about Christian rights

It's about religious freedom, which is a human right.

 

[kai]

Well Bro,

Since your not a muslim or a christian, i Think you should keep your nose where it belongs. This topic is about Islam and churches not athiests.

nawab you are the man!:yes:


i spent so much time on the Bush threads lately i missed this one , i picked i don't know because, is religious freedom a basic human right?, and can a country do what it likes without hurting people ?. personally i think if you are confident in your faith then what are you afraid of? but it could also be a cultural thing,i know a lot of people are uneasy about mosques here in the UK ,they stick out like a sore thumb for one thing ,they look so alien. the same with a church in Saudi i suppose.

 

[nawab]

Dude dont say that mate, these people will say again that i am taking thier Freedom of speach away but when i give my comments they dont talk about freedom of speech.
double standards

Anyway about UK, They do let us build Mosques but there have been many churches alotted to Muslims to convert to Mosques because those churches were basically desserted. becase the UK government do not want to provide new land to muslims.

By the way, dont you think there are churches in Saudi Arabia, middle east the history of these churches are older than of those in UK & US and even europe. BTW Christians or Churches are not allien to Islam or Muslims

nawab you are the man!:yes:


i spent so much time on the Bush threads lately i missed this one , i picked i don't know because, is religious freedom a basic human right?, and can a country do what it likes without hurting people ?. personally i think if you are confident in your faith then what are you afraid of? but it could also be a cultural thing,i know a lot of people are uneasy about mosques here in the UK ,they stick out like a sore thumb for one thing ,they look so alien. the same with a church in Saudi i suppose.

 

[nawab]

So I suppose having pre martitial sex is a human right as well and relligious freedom is a right as i remember all major religions condemns adultry so how can a person have relligious rights and human rights at the same time pls explain

It's about religious freedom, which is a human right.

 

[wednesday]

I vote no since i do not believe that once Christians make landfall, they will accept the religious freedom and religious culture of the Islamic people.
There is a common trend throughout history of Christian missionaries attempting to mass convert whole peoples. Such examples are the scandanavian peoples, Norway, Sweden, Finland and also Poland where conversion cost far too much blood.
I think if the Islamic people really want Christianity, they will invite them, rather than having the world impose the "religious freedom and tolerance" arguements upon them.

 

[DallasApple]

So I suppose having pre martitial sex is a human right as well and relligious freedom is a right as i remember all major religions condemns adultry so how can a person have relligious rights and human rights at the same time pls explain

UMM....In "my religion" humans have "rights"..If religion and "human rights" arent congruent....what in the world would humans need with religion?

Even our founding fathers here in the United States of America included...you have the RIGHT to pursue happiness...of course that isnt a "religion"...but they knew what they were talking about..

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

I vote no since i do not believe that once Christians make landfall, they will accept the religious freedom and religious culture of the Islamic people.
There is a common trend throughout history of Christian missionaries attempting to mass convert whole peoples. Such examples are the scandanavian peoples, Norway, Sweden, Finland and also Poland where conversion cost far too much blood.
I think if the Islamic people really want Christianity, they will invite them, rather than having the world impose the "religious freedom and tolerance" arguements upon them.

Well dont speak for me...we have a Mosque 1/8 of a mile from my house..My son has visited many times..My NEIGHBORS (litterally my next door neigbhors) are Muslims..

The closest I came to trying to convert them?(when they moved in)...Was to make them a peanut butter pie and say here...I made this for you...(but they hid behind the curtains... Im sure they hate peanut butter)...So I brought it to my next neighbor(who I have known for years) the "agnostic"...

Love

Dallas

 

[Storm]

I vote no since i do not believe that once Christians make landfall, they will accept the religious freedom and religious culture of the Islamic people.
There is a common trend throughout history of Christian missionaries attempting to mass convert whole peoples. Such examples are the scandanavian peoples, Norway, Sweden, Finland and also Poland where conversion cost far too much blood.
I think if the Islamic people really want Christianity, they will invite them, rather than having the world impose the "religious freedom and tolerance" arguements upon them.

uhm, the Christians are already there. Have been for centuries. The issue isn't them trying to convert the Islamic people, it's whether they have the right to worship freely. A right which Islam is supposed to support.

 

[lilithu]

So I suppose having pre martitial sex is a human right as well and relligious freedom is a right as i remember all major religions condemns adultry so how can a person have relligious rights and human rights at the same time pls explain

You have every right to believe that premarital sex is a sin. Thus, your religious right is preserved.

You do NOT, however, have the right to harm someone else who engages in premarital sex. Thus, his or her human rights are preserved.

 

[gnomon]

Should smurfs be allowed in the Hindu Kush?

 

[wednesday]

uhm, the Christians are already there. Have been for centuries. The issue isn't them trying to convert the Islamic people, it's whether they have the right to worship freely. A right which Islam is supposed to support.

I guess maybe they don't want Christians door knocking going "hey have you heard about the one true god."
I never see muslims advertising their religion, they have a mosque here and there but thats it. If muslim leaders consider current western countries like where i live, you cant escape Christians trying to spread the world. Such an event in a muslim country could cause strong opposing beliefs towards eachother andf riots and so forth. I say if they want to worship, do it privately.

 

[Storm]

I guess maybe they don't want Christians door knocking going "hey have you heard about the one true god."
I never see muslims advertising their religion, they have a mosque here and there but thats it. If muslim leaders consider current western countries like where i live, you cant escape Christians trying to spread the world. Such an event in a muslim country could cause strong opposing beliefs towards eachother andf riots and so forth. I say if they want to worship, do it privately.

And they would never have a theocracy or anything....

 

[lilithu]

I say if they want to worship, do it privately.

Worshiping in a church *IS* worshiping privately. You don't have to see it at all unless you make a point of entering their house of worship.

 

[DallasApple]

uhm, the Christians are already there. Have been for centuries. The issue isn't them trying to convert the Islamic people, it's whether they have the right to worship freely. A right which Islam is supposed to support.

Right..Just like our Constitution...I live in a community where you are free to worship or not worship any God..or follow any doctrine..As long as you dont break the law..you are left in peace...

Im not making it up...I live amongst Catholics,Athiest,Presbyterians Methodist,Jews,Baptist,Muslims,Buddhist and everything else you can imagine..A melting pot...and we dont run around trying to convince the other or hurt the other..(sorry accept the LDS come a knocking on my door LOL...but hey...good for them they evangelize).....We leave each other in peace..

This forum is not representative of what I have lived in the middle of Texas in the U/S...We live side by side in respect and get along pretty well..

Not everyone can be "best friends" but I respect and I ask for respect back...thats how we live...

Love

Dallas

 

[lilithu]

I live amongst Catholics,Athiest,Presbyterians Methodist,Jews,Baptist,Muslims,Buddhist and everything else you can imagine..A melting pot...

Not a melting pot, Dallas. A melting pot suggests that everything merges together into one homogenous mush. We're more like a tossed salad, retaining our different zesty flavors but all tied together by the salad dressing of tolerance.

 

[wednesday]

Right..Just like our Constitution...I live in a community where you are free to worship or not worship any God..or follow any doctrine..As long as you dont break the law..you are left in peace...

Im not making it up...I live amongst Catholics,Athiest,Presbyterians Methodist,Jews,Baptist,Muslims,Buddhist and everything else you can imagine..A melting pot...and we dont run around trying to convince the other or hurt the other..(sorry accept the LDS come a knocking on my door LOL...but hey...good for them they evangelize).....We leave each other in peace..

This forum is not representative of what I have lived in the middle of Texas in the U/S...We live side by side in respect and get along pretty well..

Not everyone can be "best friends" but I respect and I ask for respect back...thats how we live...

Love

Dallas

Yes, wetsern society is like that, but do you think a country such as Saudi Arabia or Iran would be able to cope having spent generations as Islamic states only to have to accept Christians. What i'm saying is it might not work as well as everyone thinks it will. Sure we get along fine with every kind of culture, but we were born in multicultural environments. These countries aren't very multicultural at all, and it might take some getting used to.

 

[lilithu]

Yes, wetsern society is like that, but do you think a country such as Saudi Arabia or Iran would be able to cope having spent generations as Islamic states only to have to accept Christians.

As Storm has already pointed out to you, the Christians are ALREADY THERE and have been there for ages. The only question here is whether they're allowed to build churches.

 

[Storm]

Yes, wetsern society is like that, but do you think a country such as Saudi Arabia or Iran would be able to cope having spent generations as Islamic states only to have to accept Christians. What i'm saying is it might not work as well as everyone thinks it will. Sure we get along fine with every kind of culture, but we were born in multicultural environments. These countries aren't very multicultural at all, and it might take some getting used to.

THE CHRISTIANS ARE ALREADY THERE! They're not invading, they're not evangelizing. Furthermore, Islam explicitly states that they should be left alone to worship as they choose.

 

[DallasApple]

OHH>..and besides that! On adultery or "fornication"..My advice pro or against that would be case by case and would have little or nothing to do with God...But in a sense it would because I believe God could reason..

My conversation would be more like this..."sweetie why are you crying?..(her) WHOE is me he's out again tonight...(me) "Well sweetie didnt he just sleep with Saly like 3 months ago and you went through this?"(her)" yes but he said he was sorry and he loved me"...(Me) "well does he seem sorry and do you feel loved?"(her)" NOOOO!!! WHAHHHH"...(me) Well you need to decide what to do ..accept him...or get out of this if all you feel is hurt"....

Not JESUS CHRIST !!!!!!!!!!!! YA"LL NEED AN EXORCISM!! WHAT???????? YOU are having SEX!!!!! WELLL you SINNNER!!!!!!!! NO wonder you got those results!!!CONVERT!

Love

Dallas