Should Christians Be Keeping the Sabbath?

[Yes]

27“And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29“But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30“But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ 31“But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’” Luke 16: 27-31

The same is true today.

That scripture is about JESUS. Jesus is the one who rose from the dead.

 

[Simplelogic]

That scripture is about JESUS. Jesus is the one who rose from the dead.

Actually it was about Yeshua and the Law of Moses.

 

[Yes]

Yes. This is true. I would add that when Yeshua comes back, this death penalty will be in effect again. Once the Levites are restored.

When Jesus comes again, he will come for those who are waiting for him. He will raise all from the dead and throw the unsaved in the lake of fire. This will happen when Jesus comes again. We will live with Jesus on the new earth. There won't be any sinful people living on the new earth.

 

[Yes]

Actually it was about Yeshua and the Law of Moses.

Moses spoke of Jesus, and that scripture is about Jesus.

 

[Simplelogic]

Moses spoke of Jesus, and that scripture is about Jesus.

It says that if a man doesn't believe in the Father's commandments neither will he believe in Yeshua.

 

[Simplelogic]

We will live with Jesus on the new earth. There won't be any sinful people living on the new earth.

Yes there will. Here is a verse about the millennium:

16Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths. 17And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, there will be no rain on them. 18If the family of Egypt does not go up or enter, then no rain will fall on them; it will be the plague with which the LORD smites the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths. 19This will be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths. Zech 14: 16-19

Looks like there will still be sin on the earth. Also, it looks like we will still be keeping the Law of Moses. Better get your mind right.

 

[Yes]

1. Someone who touts to have the truth should be able to provide clear, direct interpretations of the text, yet this reply is extremely vague and dodgy. So who are the dispersed--the Jews or gentiles?

You are saying you do not care what Jesus says. The DISPERSED were as Gentiles...but they were BLOOD RELATED TO ABRAHAM. We are NOT save anymore according to whom we are blood related. People waste their life trying to find out if they are blood related to Abraham.

2. You did not answer the question, "Can you find me an OT reference where all twelve tribes were definitively referred to as Jews"? Don't see the Hebrew term for "Jews" anywhere in these scriptures.

Where did I say they were Jews?

You are too busy worrying about nonsense and do not hear the Truth.

I did answer your question; however, you just ignore the Truth.

3. Read in its correct context, nothing in the text suggests John is eliminating the requirement of ancestry, he is merely explaining the additional new covenant requirement of an Israelite being born again, not from a flesh and blood human being, but from God, which was not available to the old covenant Israelites. It was an added condition not a replacement.

You do not realize how ignorant it is what you said.

The ISRAELITES were BLOOD RELATED TO ABRAHAM. We are not saved according to whom we are blood related. That is what the scripture says.

Paul says you are concerned with worthless things. I agree with Paul and not you.

The NLT confirms this interpretation:

Joh 1:13 They [Israelites] are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God.
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Christ re-emphasizes this truth to Nicodemus a few chapters later.

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
We need to interpret scriptures in their context and leave our biases aside.
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Nothing in scripture, when read in its correct context, suggests ancestry was eliminated.

You have no idea what being born again is do you.

 

[Yes]

Yes there will. Here is a verse about the millennium:

16Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths. 17And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, there will be no rain on them. 18If the family of Egypt does not go up or enter, then no rain will fall on them; it will be the plague with which the LORD smites the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths. 19This will be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths. Zech 14: 16-19

Looks like there will still be sin on the earth. Also, it looks like we will still be keeping the Law of Moses. Better get your mind right.

Why would God give us a new earth if the same old sin is going to be committed there?

You are badly mistaken.

 

[Simplelogic]

Why would God give us a new earth if the same old sin is going to be committed there?

You are badly mistaken.

Good point. I better check the context to see if it is referring to the millennial kingdom:

1Behold, a day is coming for the LORD when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you. 2For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city. 3Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle. 4In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south. 5You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD, my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him!
6In that day there will be no light; the luminaries will dwindle. 7For it will be a unique day which is known to the LORD, neither day nor night, but it will come about that at evening time there will be light.

8And in that day living waters will flow out of Jerusalem, half of them toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea; it will be in summer as well as in winter.

9And the LORD will be king over all the earth; in that day the LORD will be the only one, and His name the only one.

10All the land will be changed into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem; but Jerusalem will rise and remain on its site from Benjamin’s Gate as far as the place of the First Gate to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king’s wine presses. 11People will live in it, and there will no longer be a curse, for Jerusalem will dwell in security.

12Now this will be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the peoples who have gone to war against Jerusalem; their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, and their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongue will rot in their mouth. 13It will come about in that day that a great panic from the LORD will fall on them; and they will seize one another’s hand, and the hand of one will be lifted against the hand of another. 14Judah also will fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the surrounding nations will be gathered, gold and silver and garments in great abundance. 15So also like this plague will be the plague on the horse, the mule, the camel, the donkey and all the cattle that will be in those camps.

16Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths. 17And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, there will be no rain on them. 18If the family of Egypt does not go up or enter, then no rain will fall on them; it will be the plague with which the LORD smites the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths. 19This will be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths.

20In that day there will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, “HOLY TO THE LORD.” And the cooking pots in the LORD’S house will be like the bowls before the altar. 21Every cooking pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the LORD of hosts; and all who sacrifice will come and take of them and boil in them. And there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts in that day. Zech 14

 

[Etritonakin]

You have exposed yourself in that statement.
DAYS ARE NOTHING. YOU PUT DAYS BEFORE THE LORD!

Also a lie.

 

[Etritonakin]

That scripture proves that they are the same.


That is about REPENTING.


That is about REPENTING of sins.


That is about those who did not repent of SINS.

No -the scriptures do not say they are the SAME -but that the two are ONE. Very different.

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Yes -it IS about repenting of sin -and SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW -INCLUDING THE SABBATH

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

You are free to go on with the "freedom" you think you have to disregard the commandment -but it will not get you very far. Once again -I urge you to reconsider.

I do wish you well, but I'm done with this conversation.

 

[james2ko]

Greek was the language spoken at that time.
Galatia is not just “outside of Judah”, it’s about 800 miles north of Jerusalem. “areas outside of Judah” during the Lord Jesus earthly ministry are within the 60 to 70 miles south to north from Jerusalem to Galilee where the Lord Jesus spent most of his ministry, and did not go beyond Sidon which is another 500 to 600 miles more to Asia Minor- and within 10 to 25 miles east to west is the vicinity of Jerusalem. During the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus the language spoken by many is the Greek language.

When the Jews said “Dispersion/Diaspora” meaning Jews scattering, or had been scattered among the Gentiles in John 7:35, the Jews meant the literal Jews among the literal Gentiles [SG1672] “and teach the Greeks?” [SG1672]. The Jews in John 7:35 did not mean Jews in Gentile Nations in Galatia. What they meant was probably as far as Galilee to Tyre or Sidon. Remember the Lord Jesus did not go beyond Sidon.

Now, who are these Gentiles? They are not the Gentiles/Jews from the 10 lost tribes of Israel you are talking about. [SG1672] “HELLENES” means as the Gentiles/pagans base one 25 instances [read post#186] in the NT where the word “hellenes [SG1672] was referring to the Gentiles in contrast with the Jews.

Gal 2:3 Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek [SG1672].

Was Titus a pure Greek/Gentile? Yes!

You are saying you do not care what Jesus says. The DISPERSED were as Gentiles...but they were BLOOD RELATED TO ABRAHAM. We are NOT save anymore according to whom we are blood related. People waste their life trying to find out if they are blood related to Abraham.



Where did I say they were Jews?

You are too busy worrying about nonsense and do not hear the Truth.

I did answer your question; however, you just ignore the Truth.


You do not realize how ignorant it is what you said.

The ISRAELITES were BLOOD RELATED TO ABRAHAM. We are not saved according to whom we are blood related. That is what the scripture says.

Paul says you are concerned with worthless things. I agree with Paul and not you.



You have no idea what being born again is do you.

Telling me I have no idea what I'm talking about and simply repeating yourself, while ignoring and not addressing my points, is like closing your eyes and covering your ears while someone is telling you a truth you don't want to see or hear. My kids use to do that to each other all the time . The truth will be made soon. Gotta go--for real this time . Hope to be back in a couple of months. God Bless!

 

[BummerBeavis]

I don't believe you.
Have you ever worked on the Sabbath?
Does your son and daughter who lives with you work on the Sabbath?
Have you ever cooked on the Sabbath?
Have you ever lit a fire on the Sabbath? How about caused your gas and electric company to work on this day by giving heat?
Do you set bread before the Lord?
Have you ever bought anything on the Sabbath?
Do you go anywhere on the Sabbath?
Have you ever spoke an idle word on the Sabbath?
Have you ever done what pleased you on the Sabbath?
Did you ever carry a load on the Sabbath?
Did you ever do any work in your house on the Sabbath?


Do you give Sabbath offerings?

Numbers 28:9
“‘On the Sabbath day, make an offering of two lambs a year old without defect, together with its drink offering and a grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with olive oil.

How about a burnt offering?

Numbers 28:10
This is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, in addition to the regular burnt offering and its drink offering.

i don't care if you believe me
2 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
I rest from my work and keep his day Holy.
Yeshua rebuked those like you who tried to make Sabbath a burden on man. The Sabbath is for man not man for the Sabbath. I totally eject your position that I cant wipe my a== or flush the toilet, or jerk off.

since you reject this one you reject them all. So how about you start yourself a nice abortion clinic? Maybe you can beat up your mom and steal her money. Perhaps you can go get a xmass tree and put gifts under it since idolatry ok for you as well. Hey you can commit more idolatry and go to Easter worship. Better yet you can take Sunday off and worship on the sun god's day. Heck not keeping the second commandment works for you. Then you can worship the Trinity god instead of the monotheistic God of Torah.
You keep going on and on telling how you hate these commandments and how impossible they are for you. well this is what the Bible says about you and the many like you.
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
your position, is very clear. You serve your god the trinity. I serve my monotheistic God of the Bible who has never changed. Therefore I follow his rules.
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

I choose to do My God's commandments
and you serve your Babylonian trinity

 

[james2ko]

Galatia is not just “outside of Judah”, it’s about 800 miles north of Jerusalem. “areas outside of Judah” during the Lord Jesus earthly ministry are within the 60 to 70 miles south to north from Jerusalem to Galilee where the Lord Jesus spent most of his ministry, and did not go beyond Sidon which is another 500 to 600 miles more to Asia Minor- and within 10 to 25 miles east to west is the vicinity of Jerusalem. During the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus the language spoken by many is the Greek language.

1. I agree some Galatians were in fact Greek speaking non-Israelites. But not all. Some were also dispersed Greek speaking Israelites from the ten tribes, whom God said would lose their Jewish-Israelite identity, and be alienated (Eph 2:12) from Israel, but not be forgotten (Psa 94:14; Isa 44:21, Isa 49:14-15). And that they--Israel and Israel only--will be redeemed (Luk 24:21).

The Jews in John 7:35 did not mean Jews in Gentile Nations in Galatia. What they meant was probably as far as Galilee to Tyre or Sidon. Remember the Lord Jesus did not go beyond Sidon.

2. The Pharisees sarcastically speculated on what Christ would do. It had no bearing on what Christ was going to do or where He was going . My point was Peter tells us there were Jews and Israelites from the ten tribes dispersed in Galatia and many other parts of the Empire (1Pet 1:1). So it stands to reason the dispersion referred to by the Pharisees included the ten tribes.

When the Jews said “Dispersion/Diaspora” meaning Jews scattering, or had been scattered among the Gentiles in John 7:35, the Jews meant the literal Jews among the literal Gentiles [SG1672] “and teach the Greeks?” [SG1672]. Now, who are these Gentiles? They are not the Gentiles/Jews from the 10 lost tribes of Israel you are talking about. [SG1672] “HELLENES”

3. - Strong's: From G1671; a hellen (Grecian) or inhabitant of hellas; by extension a Greek speaking person especially a non-Jew: - Gentile Greek.

The term "hellene" can also be defined as anyone who spoke Greek. It could refer to a Greek speaking Jew, a Greek foreigner or a Greek speaking national. Those from the ten tribes fell in this last category: The 10 lost tribes were not Jews they are Israelites so in essence, they were non-Jews. No Jewish scholar I know of would even entertain the idea the ten tribes were also Jews. The Jews in the first century only consisted of the two tribes of Judah:

"The Ten Tribes did not return to Palestine; only two Tribes served the Romans after Palestine became a Roman Province" Josephus Antiquities of the Jews, 11.5.2)​

If the Jews are the dispersion and Greeks are gentiles, you are saying that Jesus was speculated to go to the Jews among the gentiles to teach the gentiles???? Makes absolutely no sense. Had it said, "Does He intend to go to the Jewish dispersion among the Greeks to teach the Jews", that makes sense. With that said, if we say----"Does He intend to go to the dispersed lost tribes among the Greeks to teach the Greek speaking gentilized lost tribes," now that also makes sense. Your scenario is illogical. Leaving only one option--the one I've been trying to tell you for several pages.

means as the Gentiles/pagans base one 25 instances [read post#186] in the NT where the word “hellenes [SG1672] was referring to the Gentiles in contrast with the Jews.

4. It only tells me they were Greek speakers. The term says nothing about their ancestral lineage. There were both Israelite and non-Israelite "hellenes". Based on the NC promise, Paul was only sent to the Israelite gentiles.(Act 9:15)

Gal 2:3 Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek [SG1672].Was Titus a pure Greek/Gentile? Yes!

5. That's because Paul eliminated the requirement for all New Covenant Israelite gentiles.

Nowhere in Acts 15 did it say that Gentiles should follow any part of the Law of Moses either.
Christ told the rich young ruler what component of the Law of Moses needs to be kept in order to have eternal life--the Moral law--ten commandments.
Let me ask you, do you think you could follow the whole Law of Moses without “stumbling at just one point”?That’s what I think..

Jas 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Gal 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

Let me ask you again for the 2nd time, do you think you could follow the whole Law of Moses without “stumbling at just one point”?

6. That depends how you define the Law of Moses. Paul makes it clear the Law of Moses consists of three components--Moral, Civil, Sacrificial. We know this because he seems to eliminate the "law" in one place (1Co 9:8-9), while upholding it in another (Heb 10:28) . Thus warranting a separation of components. Context would determine what component of the law is being discussed. Acts 15 covers circumcision (component of the civil law), which is clearly no longer required for NC Israelites.

The context of Jas 2:10 is clearly speaking of the Moral law--the ten commandments. Made evident in vs 11. The ten are like the Constitution in which all the other laws are based. All states must model their laws to uphold the Constitution just like the civil and sacrificial laws are modeled and uphold the 10 commandments. The ten stand forever. The sacrificial and civil laws can change.

In Gal 3:10-11, Paul quotes from Deu 27:26, a principle echoed in Jer 11:3. Paul says those who rely on their works to justify them are under the curse of the law. What is "the curse of the law"? The death penalty! When one sins, he brings on himself the curse of the law he broke, which is death. In effect, he says that those who seek justification through works (sacrifices, circumcision, etc) are still under the curse because justification by this means is impossible.

Lost tribes class starting soon. I'll try and pop my head in here every now and then. I have to say once you get started it is hard to stop talking about our Great God. Take care and God Bless. Seriously, study the topic. Start with a word study on the term gentiles and who the two houses of Israel. Real eye-opener.

 

[Yes]

Telling me I have no idea what I'm talking about and simply repeating yourself, while ignoring and not addressing my points, is like closing your eyes and covering your ears while someone is telling you a truth you don't want to see or hear. My kids use to do that to each other all the time . The truth will be made soon. Gotta go--for real this time . Hope to be back in a couple of months. God Bless!

I did answer you. You need to go back and study harder.

 

[Yes]

i don't care if you believe me
2 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
I rest from my work and keep his day Holy.
Yeshua rebuked those like you who tried to make Sabbath a burden on man. The Sabbath is for man not man for the Sabbath. I totally eject your position that I cant wipe my a== or flush the toilet, or jerk off.

since you reject this one you reject them all. So how about you start yourself a nice abortion clinic? Maybe you can beat up your mom and steal her money. Perhaps you can go get a xmass tree and put gifts under it since idolatry ok for you as well. Hey you can commit more idolatry and go to Easter worship. Better yet you can take Sunday off and worship on the sun god's day. Heck not keeping the second commandment works for you. Then you can worship the Trinity god instead of the monotheistic God of Torah.
You keep going on and on telling how you hate these commandments and how impossible they are for you. well this is what the Bible says about you and the many like you.
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
your position, is very clear. You serve your god the trinity. I serve my monotheistic God of the Bible who has never changed. Therefore I follow his rules.
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

I choose to do My God's commandments
and you serve your Babylonian trinity

Special days are nothing.
Observing special days are worthless.
Believe Apostle Paul a chosen of the Lord.

 

[Yes]

No -the scriptures do not say they are the SAME -but that the two are ONE. Very different.

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Yes -it IS about repenting of sin -and SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW -INCLUDING THE SABBATH

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

You are free to go on with the "freedom" you think you have to disregard the commandment -but it will not get you very far. Once again -I urge you to reconsider.

I do wish you well, but I'm done with this conversation.

Do you believe you have the Holy Spirit living inside you?

Do you believe you have God living inside you?

Do you believe you have Jesus himself living inside you?

How many Spirits do you think you received?

 

[Yes]

Good point. I better check the context to see if it is referring to the millennial kingdom:

1Behold, a day is coming for the LORD when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you. 2For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city. 3Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle. 4In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south. 5You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD, my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him!
6In that day there will be no light; the luminaries will dwindle. 7For it will be a unique day which is known to the LORD, neither day nor night, but it will come about that at evening time there will be light.

8And in that day living waters will flow out of Jerusalem, half of them toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea; it will be in summer as well as in winter.

9And the LORD will be king over all the earth; in that day the LORD will be the only one, and His name the only one.

10All the land will be changed into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem; but Jerusalem will rise and remain on its site from Benjamin’s Gate as far as the place of the First Gate to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king’s wine presses. 11People will live in it, and there will no longer be a curse, for Jerusalem will dwell in security.

12Now this will be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the peoples who have gone to war against Jerusalem; their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, and their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongue will rot in their mouth. 13It will come about in that day that a great panic from the LORD will fall on them; and they will seize one another’s hand, and the hand of one will be lifted against the hand of another. 14Judah also will fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the surrounding nations will be gathered, gold and silver and garments in great abundance. 15So also like this plague will be the plague on the horse, the mule, the camel, the donkey and all the cattle that will be in those camps.

16Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths. 17And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, there will be no rain on them. 18If the family of Egypt does not go up or enter, then no rain will fall on them; it will be the plague with which the LORD smites the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths. 19This will be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths.

20In that day there will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, “HOLY TO THE LORD.” And the cooking pots in the LORD’S house will be like the bowls before the altar. 21Every cooking pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the LORD of hosts; and all who sacrifice will come and take of them and boil in them. And there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts in that day. Zech 14

The Physical Land aspect of the Abrahamic Covenant has been fulfilled already, scripture confirms it here Joshua 23:14

14And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof.


Josh 21:43-45
43And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
44And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
45There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.


Neh 9:8
8And foundest his heart faithful before thee, and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Jebusites, and the Girga****es, to give it, I say, to his seed, and hast performed thy words; for thou art righteous:


That aspect of the Promise has been done. The anti type fulfillment is yet to be fulfilled with the glorification of the Church all of Abraham's Spiritual Seed by faith in God through Jesus Christ. Gen 17:5-8


5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.



Prophecies about earthy land have been fulfilled in the Old Testament times. Prophecies of spiritual concerns are only fulfilled through faith in Jesus Christ.


Zechariah 8
8 The word of the Lord Almighty came to me.
2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “I am very jealous for Zion; I am burning with jealousy for her.”
3 This is what the Lord says: “I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the Faithful City, and the mountain of the Lord Almighty will be called the Holy Mountain.”
4 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Once again men and women of ripe old age will sit in the streets of Jerusalem, each of them with cane in hand because of their age. 5 The city streets will be filled with boys and girls playing there.”
6 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “It may seem marvelous to the remnant of this people at that time, but will it seem marvelous to me?” declares the Lord Almighty.
7 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. 8 I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God.”



In Zechariah 8, we see Zechariah’s prophecy is about the time Israel came from Babylonian captivity. In Zechariah 14, we see that Zechariah then prophecies about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

 

[Simplelogic]

The Physical Land aspect of the Abrahamic Covenant has been fulfilled already, scripture confirms it here Joshua 23:14

14And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof.


Josh 21:43-45
43And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
44And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
45There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.


Neh 9:8
8And foundest his heart faithful before thee, and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Jebusites, and the Girga****es, to give it, I say, to his seed, and hast performed thy words; for thou art righteous:


That aspect of the Promise has been done. The anti type fulfillment is yet to be fulfilled with the glorification of the Church all of Abraham's Spiritual Seed by faith in God through Jesus Christ. Gen 17:5-8


5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.



Prophecies about earthy land have been fulfilled in the Old Testament times. Prophecies of spiritual concerns are only fulfilled through faith in Jesus Christ.


Zechariah 8
8 The word of the Lord Almighty came to me.
2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “I am very jealous for Zion; I am burning with jealousy for her.”
3 This is what the Lord says: “I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the Faithful City, and the mountain of the Lord Almighty will be called the Holy Mountain.”
4 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Once again men and women of ripe old age will sit in the streets of Jerusalem, each of them with cane in hand because of their age. 5 The city streets will be filled with boys and girls playing there.”
6 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “It may seem marvelous to the remnant of this people at that time, but will it seem marvelous to me?” declares the Lord Almighty.
7 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. 8 I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God.”



In Zechariah 8, we see Zechariah’s prophecy is about the time Israel came from Babylonian captivity. In Zechariah 14, we see that Zechariah then prophecies about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Fail…These promises will come to pass. Zechariah is not a liar….you are.

 

[JM2C]

Peter refers to the fact that some of his Greek speaking congregation fromGalatiaonce lived as idolaters. Jewish congregants would not have led a life of idolatry, but the Greek speaking dispersed descendants of Jacob who lost their identity would have!!

Galatia in Peter’s is not the same as Galatia in Paul’s Galatians. Peter’s Galatia is the upper or the north Galatia as described in 1Pe 1:1, and Paul is the lower or the south Galatia described in Acts 13-14 during his 1st missionary journey.

During Paul’s 2nd missionary journey they went back to some of the churches they’ve established from Syria to Cilicia then “to Derbe to Lystra, where a disciple named Timothy lived, whose mother was a Jewess and a believer, but whose father was a Greek/Gentile/Hellen [SG1672]. –Acts 16:1”

Antioch, Iconium, Lystra, and Derbe were in the province of Galatia south of Asia Minor.

While on their way to the upper Asia Minor going to Bithynia through Mysia they were “forbidden of the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia; -Acts 16:6-7”

Why Paul and Silas were forbidden by the Holy Spirit to enter the upper or the north Galatia?

Peter was preaching there. Remember in Gal 2:7 “They saw that God had given me the responsibility of preaching the Good News to the Gentiles, just as he had given Peter the responsibility of preaching to the Jews.”

Who are these Jews dispersed among the Gentile nations in 1Peter 1:1?

They could be from the Acts 8:1 who “were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria.” and by Chapter 11 of Acts from Judea and Samaria they “traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, telling the message only to Jews. –Acts 11:9”.

Is it possible some of the Jews went farther up north into the Asia Minor, in “Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia -1St Peter 1:1, where Peter sent his epistle? Yes!

Were they the Babylonian exile? No! Babylon is on the lower east side of Jerusalem while Asia Minor is up to the North of Jerusalem. The Babylonian Empire did not conquer Asia Minor and Macedonia.