No, but your posts like these demonstrate that you're not actually interested in honest communication or comprehending what I'm saying. I'm done here.
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Should christians ignore the OT?
- Thread starter Zhakir
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Alceste
Vagabond
No, that the bible is full of contradictions. Like the Quran. And every other Abrahamic holy book. The people who wrote them weren't liars, they were just ignorant and inconsistent.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Just because he got fed up with your petty (and unprovable) arguments and decided to quit this senseless debate does not in any way prove that you have the truth. It simply means that your argument is not worth the effort. So don't go throwing the Koran at us in a Biblical debate. It won't work.
ONCE AGAIN, the Law was not abolished. It was fulfilled. And we, who are members of Christ's Body no longer have to find our righteousness in the Law (as the Jews do). What's so difficult to understand?
And we're tired of the p***-poor overusage of the "Not one jot or tittle" passage being proof-texted and twisted to mean what it was never intended to mean.
Give it up, man!:cover:
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Because we're not into bashing someone's sincerely-held scriptures. It just wouldn't be ... Christian. (Especially not with arguments so poor that they border on the ridiculous, have no basis in reality, and serve only to engender frustration, not edification.)
Zhakir
Peace&Tolerance
What about
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
is it a lie?
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
is it a lie?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
What about it? The Law hasn't passed. It has been fulfilled. (Hint: That means it's still around, but in a better way). Stop proof-texting and put things in context.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
We don't ignore the OT by definition! How can we ignore it, when it teaches us about our religious heritage, and when its Laws have been fulfilled in the One in whom we live, and move, and have our being???
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The OP is largely overstated. Some -- a few -- not "many."
Green Gaia
Veteran Member
What does it matter to you what others believe or not or ignore or not as long as they aren't infringing upon your life? Get over yourself.
Zhakir
Peace&Tolerance
Good question,when showing the evil of the bible ,then we have to admit that's it isn't god's and christianity is wrong, but regardless the NT evil we show, the only respond for "scupa pete" and many christians is: god changed his law and OT doesn't count.
So by showing the truth of what the writers of NT said, we wash these sayings away.
Please stop misrepresenting the views of Scuba Pete. If you're going to do that to someone, at least pick someone who's not on hiatus so that they can respond to your allegations.
Alceste
Vagabond
Christianity is not based on the Bible. It's based on the life and teachings of Christ, expressed through the teachings of the church. You seem to be struggling because you are assuming Christians are as obsessed with their religious book as you have been brought up to be about yours. That's just not the case. Most Christians haven't even read it (as far as I can tell). Christianity - meaning the teachings of Christ as expressed through his parables, recorded in the Gospels (not the OT) - is about how you live your life, not what you read or what rules you follow. Do you love your God with all your heart? Do you love your neighbour as you love yourself? If so, Christ is satisfied. If not, Christ forgives you.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
You have a problem with Christianity not being based on the Bible? Why? Why should Xy be based on writings that weren't put together until 450 years after Jesus, and some of which were even written after the fact?
The Bible is the product of Xy, not the other way 'round.
Xy is based in Jesus, not in holy scripture. The scriptures are inspired, sacred writings, but they just don't serve the purpose you seem to want to twist them to serve. No matter. You can't prove your position, and, fortunately for us, the responsibility is on you to prove your own position.