Should ex-Muslims be killed for renouncing their religion?

[suncowiam]

Traditional understanding of the verse would say yes.

The traditional exegesis of verse means no one should be forced to accept Islam, however after accepting Islam you become subject to Islamic laws.

What the Islamic laws are regarding apostasy is open to debate; it becomes a point of jurisprudence.

In the traditional interpretation, you cross the Rubicon when you accept Islam though.

So the punishment is death? And more importantly, do you agree with that?

 

[Augustus]

So the punishment is death? And more importantly, do you agree with that?

Not necessarily and no

 

[mustafa amini]

It's a no no answer.

The whole purpose of capital punishment for apostasy was to stop hypocrites from playing with the new born Islamic society. No body was punished for apostasy during the life of prophet Mohammad (pbuh). It was just for protecting the new Muslims from doubtful thoughts.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

This death sentence is right and in accordance with the quran and sunnah.
I voted yes. For a religious reason which i believe in. According to the quran and hadiths a person who leaves the jamah(muslims), and strives to cause corruption in the land, he gets execution or banishment.

 

[mustafa amini]

This death sentence is right and in accordance with the quran and sunnah.

i told you the philosophy behind it. it was just for precaution not an actual law. like we had SEGHA for a while then it was stopped.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

i told you the philosophy behind it. it was just for precaution not an actual law. like we had SEGHA for a while then it was stopped.

Brother, this is hukm of Allah swt and his prophet pbuh, to execute or force them into exile the people who leave jamah and wishes to wage war against Allah swt and his messenger pbuh.

Iam not talking about the apostate who minds his own business.
For such apostate there is no worldly punishment.

 

[arthra]

I know many Baha'is lost their lives in Iran because they were deemed apostates.. The early believers were all from Shiah Muslim backgrounds...

See:

Minority report: Why Baha’is face persecution in Iran

Not all Muslims however view apostacy as punishable by death apparently.

See:

Apostasy in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Ingledsva]

This death sentence is right and in accordance with the quran and sunnah.
I voted yes. For a religious reason which i believe in. According to the quran and hadiths a person who leaves the jamah(muslims), and strives to cause corruption in the land, he gets execution or banishment.

It is never right to kill someone for changing their mind about religion.

Do you think all the people that have left their religions to join Islam - should be murdered?

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[mustafa amini]

Brother, this is hukm of Allah swt and his prophet pbuh, to execute or force them into exile the people who leave jamah and wishes to wage war against Allah swt and his messenger pbuh.

Iam not talking about the apostate who minds his own business.
For such apostate there is no worldly punishment.

War is different story. if they are fighting physically then we have the right to defend. but if they are arguing and writing books we should do the same since Allah says " and argue with them in the best way "AHSAN". i think we are agree on the issue. there is no capital punishment for people who are not physically fighting muslims.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

It is never right to kill someone for changing their mind about religion.

Do you think all the people that have left their religions to join Islam - should be murdered?

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I am talking about the apostasy that includes insults and attacks to islam. That is punishable by death.
But the apostate that is not abusive and neither attacks islam. I believe there is no worldly punishment for that kind of apostasy.

 

[mustafa amini]

It is never right to kill someone for changing their mind about religion.

Do you think all the people that have left their religions to join Islam - should be murdered?

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you are right.

 

[SomeRandom]

No I don't think they should. However, I'm a little confused as to why he would a video like that in Saudi Arabia of all places (not saying he shouldn't have the right to do so, of course) without first running to the Western World? I mean if I knew apostasy was illegal and punishable by death in my country, my renunciation would be as quiet as possible.

 

[suncowiam]

Not necessarily and no

There's supposed to be a punishment for losing faith?

 

[Augustus]

There's supposed to be a punishment for losing faith?

Some people think so. I don't.

 

[suncowiam]

I am talking about the apostasy that includes insults and attacks to islam. That is punishable by death.
But the apostate that is not abusive and neither attacks islam. I believe there is no worldly punishment for that kind of apostasy.

Are you the face of Islam? Are you exactly what a true Muslim represents?

So other opinions from Muslims that do not believe in punishment with death are wrong?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

No I don't think they should. However, I'm a little confused as to why he would a video like that in Saudi Arabia of all places (not saying he shouldn't have the right to do so, of course) without first running to the Western World? I mean if I knew apostasy was illegal and punishable by death in my country, my renunciation would be as quiet as possible.

Good point.
Maybe he had death wish.
Some people amazes me. They know there is death penalty in saudi arabia for apostasy. Why would a person make video about announcing ur apostasy and then cursing the religion? Tearing apart quran. Maybe the person doesnt want to live anymore.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Are you the face of Islam? Are you exactly what a true Muslim represents?

So other opinions from Muslims that do not believe in punishment with death are wrong?

I respect other opinions. Besides my stance is rejected by other muslims, like those from Saudi Arabia.

 

[fantome profane]

I am talking about the apostasy that includes insults and attacks to islam. That is punishable by death.
But the apostate that is not abusive and neither attacks islam. I believe there is no worldly punishment for that kind of apostasy.

I am talking about the apostasy that includes insults and attacks to islam. That is punishable by death.
But the apostate that is not abusive and neither attacks islam. I believe there is no worldly punishment for that kind of apostasy.

So when you way "War" you are talking about a "war or words". Is that correct?

If I understand you in order to deserve death the apostate does not need to commit an act of violence, or even plan to commit violence. Simply speaking in a way that a Muslim might find insulting to Islam is enough. Is that correct.

Please correct me if I am misunderstanding you. It is so very important to be absolutely clear on this issue. (literally a matter of life of death).

So if for example the cartoonists at Charlie Hebdo had once been Muslim and then became apostates, then they would deserve to be shot for drawing those cartoons. Is that a correct interpretation of your position?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

So when you way "War" you are talking about a "war or words". Is that correct?

If I understand you in order to deserve death the apostate does not need to commit an act of violence, or even plan to commit violence. Simply speaking in a way that a Muslim might find insulting to Islam is enough. Is that correct.

Please correct me if I am misunderstanding you. It is so very important to be absolutely clear on this issue. (literally a matter of life of death).

So if for example the cartoonists at Charlie Hebdo had once been Muslim and then became apostates, then they would deserve to be shot for drawing those cartoons. Is that a correct interpretation of your position?

Yes, war of words after apostasy can be a reason to choose between execution or banishment.
If the cartoonists at charlie hebdo lived in an islamic country where the shariah is applied, then yes in that case they would get execution or banishment.

However iam sure other muslims disagree with me on this, according to them only a apostate that joins enemy forces or commits violent act, should be executed. Perhaps they are right and iam wrong.

 

[fantome profane]

No I don't think they should. However, I'm a little confused as to why he would a video like that in Saudi Arabia of all places (not saying he shouldn't have the right to do so, of course) without first running to the Western World? I mean if I knew apostasy was illegal and punishable by death in my country, my renunciation would be as quiet as possible.

His death has had the effect of being an example of showing the evil of the Saudi regime. It has put a spotlight on this issue. I think he is a hero.