Should ex-Muslims be killed for renouncing their religion?

[suncowiam]

Good point.
Maybe he had death wish.
Some people amazes me. They know there is death penalty in saudi arabia for apostasy. Why would a person make video about announcing ur apostasy and then cursing the religion? Tearing apart quran. Maybe the person doesnt want to live anymore.

Maybe, his will is stronger than his fear of death for he chooses his own path? Maybe his goal is not to tear down the Quran but to simply be free and have his own identity, will, spirit?

Personally, I have a lot of respect for this person to be able to do such a thing without escaping to the Western World first knowing his punishment.

 

[fantome profane]

Yes, war of words after apostasy can be a reason to choose between execution or banishment.
If the cartoonists at charlie hebdo lived in an islamic country where the shariah is applied, then yes in that case they would get execution or banishment.

Still not clear enough. You really need to be absolutely crystal clear on this.

You said he would get execution or banishment. I also think he would. But the question is in your opinion are you going to say that he "should" get execution of banishment.

 

[SomeRandom]

His death has had the effect of being an example of showing the evil of the Saudi regime. It has put a spotlight on this issue. I think he is a hero.

Fair enough, I guess?
Still, can't say the bloke didn't have conviction in his choice. So there's that.

 

[Domenic]

One way of another, all religions will kill you, get you killed, or put you in a position for God to want to kill you. The scriptures say, "The Nations will destroy all false religion."

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Still not clear enough. You really need to be absolutely crystal clear on this.

You said he would get execution or banishment. I also think he would. But the question is in your opinion are you going to say that he "should" get execution of banishment.

We look at the possibility that he has some sort of mental illness. If that is not the case, he should get the exile or execution.

However there is difference in opinion about the apostasy within the muslims.

 

[suncowiam]

One way of another, all religions will kill you, get you killed, or put you in a position for God to want to kill you. The scriptures say, "The Nations will destroy all false religion."

As much as I don't believe in religion, I don't agree with your assertion.

Its simply not fair to religions that have not "killed" in a very long time. It might oppress people for some beliefs or lifestyles but the physical act of killing is a sin in many religions.

 

[mustafa amini]

One way of another, all religions will kill you, get you killed, or put you in a position for God to want to kill you. The scriptures say, "The Nations will destroy all false religion."

i think people kill each other in the name of religion or philosophy. i thinks communism/socialism or fascism and democracy killed more people than religion. the whole philosophy of religion is to save people from pain and suffering

 

[fantome profane]

We look at the possibility that he has some sort of mental illness. If that is not the case, he should get the exile or execution.

However there is difference in opinion about the apostasy within the muslims.

Thank you, that is clear. I understand there are differences of opinion among Muslims. But thank you for making your opinion clear, you think he should be executed or exiled. And I understand that many Muslims disagree with you about this, I also understand that many Muslims agree with you about this.

 

[suncowiam]

We look at the possibility that he has some sort of mental illness. If that is not the case, he should get the exile or execution.

However there is difference in opinion about the apostasy within the muslims.

Ok... What if in fact it was a "mental illness?" Could there be rehabilitation instead of killing?

Why does it have to result in death?

 

[gsa]

Who the hell cares if it was mental illness or not? Offensive or not? Any Muslims who believe that anyone should be killed for tearing apart the Quran and denouncing Islam supports that which is morally obscene. It is obscene, shocking and completely immoral to sentence anyone to death for speech and expression of religious opinion.

 

[Domenic]

Religious leaders who teach lies, are murders. How often have you heard, "For God, and Country?" Does God not say. "Be in the world, but not a part of it?" During WW2, Religious leaders were blessing, bombs, tank, weapons of war, and armies. The same religions was doing so on all sides with the cry, "God is on our side."
Never in the history of man has God given man the right to rule over other men. Religions who stand on the side of nations are against God...they are murders when they lie about what the scriptures say.
Nimrod was the first man to rule over other men...he stood in opposition to God. Those today are doing the same thing.
God commanded the tribes of Israel to kill people. Those they killed were of Satan's seed. The tribes of Israel could not lose for Gods power worked through them.

 

[Domenic]

Who the hell cares if it was mental illness or not? Offensive or not? Any Muslims who believe that anyone should be killed for tearing apart the Quran and denouncing Islam supports that which is morally obscene. It is obscene, shocking and completely immoral to sentence anyone to death for speech and expression of religious opinion.

I am Christian. I was raised Christian. Muslims are raised Muslim. People who are raised in a religion follow their religion as if it were truth. It is the religious leaders who are murders. God designed man to serve him. Satan used this natural feeling. Satan has built religions to lead men away from doing what God wants, yet make them think they are doing good. Are not the murdered, and the murder both victims?. If you have a heart for God, you will test your religion. Does it follow Gods laws, or mans? I know many good men who are Muslim, yet I know their love for God will draw them to follow their religious leaders. It is very hard for a person to leave their religion. What does God say? "Get out of them my people.".

 

[Poeticus]

This death sentence is right and in accordance with the quran and sunnah.
I voted yes. For a religious reason which i believe in. According to the quran and hadiths a person who leaves the jamah(muslims), and strives to cause corruption in the land, he gets execution or banishment.

And there we have it, folks: "warlike corruption". You heard it first, here on Poeticus TV...brought to you by Meows Unlimited.

 

[Parsimony]

Oh, I don't know, I've seen some pretty staunch Muslims running around here, I wouldn't be too surprised.

I figured such people, if they were here, would be more likely to simply not answer the question instead of trying to fight off the inevitable dog-pile that would result.

*Reads thread*

Looks like I was wrong.

 

[gsa]

I figured such people, if they were here, would be more likely to simply not answer the question instead of trying to fight off the inevitable dog-pile that would result.

Not the case, as you can see.

 

[Magic Man]

That certainly seems to be the case. But how strongly will they object, if at all, if some religious authority insists that it should be done?

Is it good enough to simply not feel like enforcing the rule? I don't think so.

I agree, but then you have to remember the climate in a lot of these places. If it's a place that's going to kill those who leave Islam, it's probably a place where Muslims aren't comfortable with speaking out against such things, as they value their lives.

 

[Kirran]

I agree, but then you have to remember the climate in a lot of these places. If it's a place that's going to kill those who leave Islam, it's probably a place where Muslims aren't comfortable with speaking out against such things, as they value their lives.

This is just a fantastic point. It's just got everything one could want in a point. It's insightful, it's intelligent, it's well-worded, it's clear, it adds new thought to the discussion, it fits in well with existing evidence, it brings in a new perspective and it helps people get a better look at the argument.

Hats off to you sir.

 

[Magic Man]

This is just a fantastic point. It's just got everything one could want in a point. It's insightful, it's intelligent, it's well-worded, it's clear, it adds new thought to the discussion, it fits in well with existing evidence, it brings in a new perspective and it helps people get a better look at the argument.

Hats off to you sir.

Wow, that's possibly the nicest compliment I've ever gotten on here. Thank you!

 

[Kirran]

Wow, that's possibly the nicest compliment I've ever gotten on here. Thank you!

And after almost eighteen and a half thousand posts, that's quite a thing!

 

[Theweirdtophat]

Some might punish them because it insults Allah, but really I don't think Allah cares. An omnipotent, all knowing deity that's supposed to be beyond anger and hatred is not likely going to care if someone renounces Islam and even if he wanted the person to be punished, he doesn't need YOU to punish them. He's a god, why he want humans to do this for him when he is supposed to accomplish anything with a mere thought? If he wants people punished he'll do it himself, but he won't anyway because Allah is supposed to be beyond hatred and violence, though.

If he was to inflict judgment it will be due to people that actually do bad things, not renounce a religion.