Should ex-Muslims be killed for renouncing their religion?

[morphesium]

Its a religion based on justice. This apostate deserves the death penalty.
His death will be clear warning to apostates that wants to follow his ''heroic'' path.

Quran and hadiths contain a lot of scientific errors, contradictions and many acts of low morale.
Boasting himself as the creator of the universe - but knows nothing about the universe. doesn't know that the earth goes around the sun; dosent know the sun is a star even.
Boasting himself as the one who created human beings - but doesn't know the working of the human body.
So why do you think Quran is god sent?
God doesn't need the help of a holy text to talk to us. if it is god who created you (us), that you are one of the gods glorious creations, then god has given his message to each one of us and we were born with it. Our sense of morality, our subconscious feeling to be/do good is our true god sent message. No other religion can claim this- for they all came to us externally after we were born. This is the best way to give us freewill without interfering with us, The best way god can talk to us without showing himself. This is the biggest proof that your religion is not god sent.

I have read some portions of the quran and there are many things i can't agree with
See ye not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another ---------------------------Quran 71:15
We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us -------------------------Quran 50:38

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After you die one day what if god asks you - i had given my message to you, you were born with it. why did you neglect it. why did you accept Quran which has nothing to do with me?



let me borrow some glorious words from the bible here.

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

 

[morphesium]

Its a religion based on justice. This apostate deserves the death penalty.
His death will be clear warning to apostates that wants to follow his ''heroic'' path.

how do you explain this

The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease." --------------------------------------Sahih Bukhari 4:54:537
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He may be an apostate of Quran, but he is not an apostate of true God. He just listened to it.
Listening to ones moral polishes oneself. It will eventually refines the society and keep on doing that. With our moral, God is giving us an opportunity to refine our society, not just ourselves.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Iam sure, the people of the cross are wrong on this, so too jews. They dont follow guidance. May Allah guide them to islam.

 

[Kirran]

Iam sure, the people of the cross are wrong on this, so too jews. They dont follow guidance. May Allah guide them to islam.

I am sure the people following Abrahamic religions are wrong on this, so too Zoroastrians. They don't follow guidance. May Shiva guide them to Hinduism.

I don't actually believe the above, but it is no less valid, intrinsically.

 

[gsa]

Oh I think the atheist position is the most probable. May reason guide you...

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

I am sure the people following Abrahamic religions are wrong on this, so too Zoroastrians. They don't follow guidance. May Shiva guide them to Hinduism.

I don't actually believe the above, but it is no less valid, intrinsically.

Well death brings the news. But iam very sure, without doubt that affirming the oneness of Allah and believing in the prophets is the complete truth.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Oh I think the atheist position is the most probable. May reason guide you...

 

[Kirran]

Well death brings the news. But iam very sure, without doubt that affirming the oneness of Allah and believing in the prophets is the complete truth.

Fair enough. But you believe this because it's what you've been taught, and many Christians are no less certain of the truth of their own beliefs.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Fair enough. But you believe this because it's what you've been taught, and many Christians are no less certain of the truth of their own beliefs.

No i believe this because christians left the pure monotheistic path of Noah,Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Jews disbelieve in the prophets sent by Allah. So in both groups there is something that makes their faith incomplete.

 

[gsa]

No i believe this because christians left the pure monotheistic path of Noah,Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Jews disbelieve in the prophets sent by Allah. So in both groups there is something that makes their faith incomplete.

Do you believe that Christians are polytheists if they believe in the trinity?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Do you believe that Christians are polytheists if they believe in the trinity?

Yes i believe so. The trinitarians are polytheists. Only Unitarians can be deemed monotheists, even amongst some unitarians there is trace of polytheism since they worship Isa PBUH.

 

[gsa]

Yes i believe so. The trinitarians are polytheists. Only Unitarians can be deemed monotheists, even amongst some unitarians there is trace of polytheism since they worship Isa PBUH.

Should Trinitarians be allowed to worship in Islamic countries? Including SA?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Should Trinitarians be allowed to worship in Islamic countries? Including SA?

The whole Arabian Penisula is holy and its not allowed for other religion to built temples or churches there.
But ofcourse Trinitarians and other polytheists should be allowed to built their worship houses in other countries. Such as in Iraq, Al-Shaam(syria, palestine, jordan, lebanon).

The example of arabian penisula is like that of Vatican City or the forbidden square in china.

islamqa.info/en/47736

 

[Muffled]

It also says there is no compulsion in the religion. So who really wrote the Quran? Several people must have, who all had their own agenda, otherwise there wouldn't be so many inconsistencies.

I don't believe this is a contradiction. God can't force you to behave but He sure can punish you if you don't.

 

[gsa]

Yes i believe so. The trinitarians are polytheists. Only Unitarians can be deemed monotheists, even amongst some unitarians there is trace of polytheism since they worship Isa PBUH.

Is incarnation really the same as polytheism? It might be shirk but it is still one deity.

 

[gsa]

The whole Arabian Penisula is holy and its not allowed for other religion to built temples or churches there.
But ofcourse Trinitarians and other polytheists should be allowed to built their worship houses in other countries. Such as in Iraq, Al-Shaam(syria, palestine, jordan, lebanon).

The example of arabian penisula is like that of Vatican City or the forbidden square in china.

islamqa.info/en/47736

That's much bigger than Vatican city.

What about Saudis who leave Islam for another religion and just want to worship their god in a church or temple?

 

[Muffled]

Servant of the one said "
The whole Arabian Penisula is holy and its not allowed for other religion to built temples or churches there.
But ofcourse Trinitarians and other polytheists should be allowed to built their worship houses in other countries. Such as in Iraq, Al-Shaam(syria, palestine, jordan, lebanon). The example of arabian penisula is like that of Vatican City or the forbidden square in china. "

I beleive if any of these holy site is going to allow viisitors then it has to allow those visitors to be what they are.

As for natives that convert I can understand wanting to preserve holiness but to me that only means expulsion not execution.

PS: I believe Trinitarians worship one God. Any belief to the contrary is a false belief.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

That's much bigger than Vatican city.

What about Saudis who leave Islam for another religion and just want to worship their god in a church or temple?

They can worship that in their homes.
Well vatican city functions almost as a separate country. Size doesnt matter.
Muslims respect vatican city, we would never annoy them by demanding mosque in vaticancity or other holy buddhist places..


About the trinity, if iam not wrong Hindus believe in Manifestation of One God in many different gods.
That doesnt make them monotheists.
Christians do what Hindus do, worshipping statues, calling upon others beside God (mary, saints, jesus pbuh, holy spirit).

 

[gsa]

Servant of the one said "
The whole Arabian Penisula is holy and its not allowed for other religion to built temples or churches there.
But ofcourse Trinitarians and other polytheists should be allowed to built their worship houses in other countries. Such as in Iraq, Al-Shaam(syria, palestine, jordan, lebanon). The example of arabian penisula is like that of Vatican City or the forbidden square in china. "

I beleive if any of these holy site is going to allow viisitors then it has to allow those visitors to be what they are.

As for natives that convert I can understand wanting to preserve holiness but to me that only means expulsion not execution.

PS: I believe Trinitarians worship one God. Any belief to the contrary is a false belief.

They might worship one god, but they also worship three persons.

 

[Kirran]

S of the O, should I be permitted to visit Saudi Arabia, do you think?

No i believe this because christians left the pure monotheistic path of Noah,Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Jews disbelieve in the prophets sent by Allah. So in both groups there is something that makes their faith incomplete.

I think you missed my point. A Christian will think that you have strayed.