Should Feminists be encouraging women to be strippers?

[Kilgore Trout]

In my opinion, only about 15% to 20% of strippers know what they're doing. The rest are hacks.

It depends what the measure of "knowing what they're doing" is. If your aim is to create some type of artistically expressive experience, then not many are good. However, if your aim is to use your charms and intuition about people to maximize your income, then the majority of strippers "know what they're doing." I suspect the majority are in it for the cash, and not the art. I also suspect most patrons are, at best, ambivalent about how artistic the performances are.

 

[Sunstone]

It depends what the measure of "knowing what they're doing" is. If your aim is to create some type of artistically expressive experience, then not many are good. However, if your aim is to use your charms and intuition about people to maximize your income, then the majority of strippers "know what they're doing." I suspect the majority are in it for the cash, and not the art. I also suspect most patrons are, at best, ambivalent about how artistic the performances are.

I think you're most likely right on all points, Kilgore. But to me, it does not matter whether or not most strippers are in it for the cash and have little or no idea how to express their sexuality. Nor does it matter to me that most patrons are not into artistic performances. That's all dross to me. I pass by it to get at what's gold to me. Which are the few strippers who dance to express their sexuality. To me, they are worth watching.

If you think about it, far and away most of the art produced in this world is bad or mediocre. But we don't usually allow that to prejudice us against the rarer, but good art that is also produced in this world.

 

[Poeticus]

I suspect the majority are in it for the cash, and not the art. I also suspect most patrons are, at best, ambivalent about how artistic the performances are.

Namaste,

Geeze, why didn't I think of that?

The above was what I was trying to get at, Sunstone-ji. But, Trout-ji beat me to it. :sad4:

Which are the few strippers who dance to express their sexuality. To me, they are worth watching.

But, wouldn't having skill and an artful approach to stripping express their sexuality in the most profound and evolved of ways?

M.V.

 

[Debater Slayer]

The last several pages of this thread don't seem to contain any real arguments against the responses put forth to the OP, which leads me to believe that the thread was primarily intended as a passive attack on feminism in an attempt to discredit it.

 

[Sunstone]

But, wouldn't having skill and an artful approach to stripping express their sexuality in the most profound and evolved of ways?

M.V.

I've seen a few strippers of which that seems to be true.

Something needs to be said for the audience here, too. If the audience doesn't know nor care to know how to approach stripping as an art, even the greatest stripper on earth would not get through to them. But that's true about any art. Even Picasso is nothing to someone without an appreciation for his art.

 

[Sunstone]

The last several pages of this thread don't seem to contain any real arguments against the responses put forth to the OP, which leads me to believe that the thread was primarily intended as a passive attack on feminism in an attempt to discredit it.

Someone attacking feminism? Why, it's unheard of!

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Someone attacking feminism? Why, it's unheard of!

To be fair, most of the thinly-veiled attacks on feminism generally seem to be thinly-veiled attacks on women.

 

[Sunstone]

I don't know whether feminists should encourage women to be strippers, but I do believe feminists have a vested interest in most anything that lifts women out of poverty. I think they might consider whether to encourage strippers to unionize.

 

[Poeticus]

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Namaste,

That is why I provided that link of the Pole Competition to provide balance for the females on this thread, supporting in their favor to engage in pole dancing and stripping.

The last several pages of this thread don't seem to contain any real arguments against the responses put forth to the OP, which leads me to believe that the thread was primarily intended as a passive attack on feminism in an attempt to discredit it.

This thread was very controversial to begin with, dear sir.

M.V.

 

[ignition]

but I do believe feminists have a vested interest in most anything that lifts women out of poverty.

That's a good perspective. I don't know if it's mainstream though. There was a debate on the BBC a while back where two feminists were at loggerheads about online pornography. I think these kind of issues are a legitimate difference of opinion. Men who engage in these kind of activities also engage in sexist remarks, groping, belittling women etc. I personally don't see how this is step forward for women's liberation. It's a good thing the PM announced he's banning all staged women rape-scenes online pornos (he is also effectively forcing those who want to view porno to 'opt in'. So no more automatic porno). I think these measures are good for society.

 

[Sunstone]

This thread was very controversial to begin with, dear sir.

M.V.

Anything that is intrinsically sexual is controversial. I blame evolutionary reasons for that. For instance, our species of ape is the only species of ape that almost always seeks privacy for intercourse. That is, we seem to have a taboo of sorts against intercourse in public. If we were more like our cousins the bonobo, we'd most likely think nothing of stripping.

 

[Sunstone]

Maybe strippers should be licensed, required to take a test for entry into the field, like real estate agents. That would amount to requiring them to get training to become strippers. Not sure it would work, but what do you think?

 

[idav]

Should the Feminist movement be encouraging more and more young women to pursue jobs in "male entertainment" with this in consideration? Or is this simply playing into the hands of exploitation?

If people wanna give all their hard earned cash over for some sight seeing it doesn't really matter. I'm almost of the mind that it's the men getting exploited for their dollars. Women, whether feminist or not, are at a clear advantage here and men just continue to worship dollars at a time.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Maybe strippers should be licensed, required to take a test for entry into the field, like real estate agents. That would amount to requiring them to get training to become strippers. Not sure it would work, but what do you think?

Some basic psychological testing and profiling probably wouldn't hurt.

 

[Poeticus]

Maybe strippers should be licensed, required to take a test for entry into the field, like real estate agents. That would amount to requiring them to get training to become strippers. Not sure it would work, but what do you think?

Namaste,

I think it would establish much needed testing - - - only the "best" may strip! Hehe.

Some basic psychological testing and profiling probably wouldn't hurt.

Hahaha, so they don't jump down from the dancing platform to knife down a pimp? I'am down...

M.V.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Although, I don't know much about strip clubs in terms of studies, in my opinion they are a symptom of patriarchy and are objectifying, which I don't see as an individual thing, they are objectifying full stop.

 

[Poeticus]

they are a symptom of patriarchy

Namaste,

The same thing would happen in a matriarchal society, brah. It just would be men on the platforms, not women...

M.V.

 

[Sunstone]

Although, I don't know much about strip clubs in terms of studies, in my opinion they are a symptom of patriarchy and are objectifying, which I don't see as an individual thing, they are objectifying full stop.

Do you see watching strippers as intrinsically objectifying? And if so, why? How is that possible?

 

[Penumbra]

Namaste,

The same thing would happen in a matriarchal society, brah. It just would be men on the platforms, not women...

M.V.

You sure about that?

 

[Poeticus]

You sure about that?

Namaste,

Definitely.

That isn't something to be ashamed of. I would love to dance in front of women.

M.V.