Should God be judged?

[Greatest I am]

All notions about deity are human creations and can therefore be judged just like any idea can be judged.

Keep thinking right.

Regards
DL

 

[curious-er]

The saying comes from Matthew 7:1-5. It expresses the idea that we are so all imperfect and have so many flaws that we should not presume to tell others where they are falling short in God's eyes, when we are selves are missing the mark big time.

 

[Greatest I am]

Yes but only by a jury of his peers.

In his image.

Hey, that's us.

You must have said yes to the question.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I don't know of any gods to judge, but if there was one, I would have to judge it, not follow it blindly. Even the Bible says to "test the spirits" (1 John) and provides ways of doing so (1 Corinthians 14), and most Christians believe that their god is a spirit. Wouldn't a Christian have to judge God or "his" message in order to determine that it was authentic?

They are to judge. Most just do not realize it.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

The saying comes from Matthew 7:1-5. It expresses the idea that we are so all imperfect and have so many flaws that we should not presume to tell others where they are falling short in God's eyes, when we are selves are missing the mark big time.

You mean that this is B S ?

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.

God goofs all the time in creating our souls and natures?

Regards
DL

 

[curious-er]

You mean that this is B S ?


He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.

God goofs all the time in creating our souls and natures?

Regards
DL

Ah, you needed to read the next verse.

Deut.32:5 "They have acted ruinously on their own part; They are not his children, the defect is their own."

Free will would not be free will if you could not choose to do wrong.

 

[Greatest I am]

Ah, you needed to read the next verse.

Deut.32:5 "They have acted ruinously on their own part; They are not his children, the defect is their own."

Free will would not be free will if you could not choose to do wrong.

Free will is not free will at all with hell making the decisions.
My way or fry is hardly free will.
If I told you to answer back or die and I had the clout to kill you, would you be exercising free will when you did?

Regards
DL

 

[Enoch07]

Free will is not free will at all with hell making the decisions.
My way or fry is hardly free will.
If I told you to answer back or die and I had the clout to kill you, would you be exercising free will when you did?

Regards
DL

It is still free will. And even if God did tell you to answer back or die, you still have the choice to not answer, just know you will pay a heavy price. Do you have the courage to stand up for your personal beliefs is another question all together, and has nothing to do with free will.

 

[curious-er]

Free will is not free will at all with hell making the decisions.
My way or fry is hardly free will.
If I told you to answer back or die and I had the clout to kill you, would you be exercising free will when you did?

Regards
DL

If by fry you are speaking of Hell fire, this is not a Bible teaching. If by fry you mean death, it is a choice of consequence, but a choice none the less.

 

[Greatest I am]

It is still free will. And even if God did tell you to answer back or die, you still have the choice to not answer, just know you will pay a heavy price. Do you have the courage to stand up for your personal beliefs is another question all together, and has nothing to do with free will.

Free will with a heavy price does not compute.
You have a strange view of what free will is.

Free will should mean no conditions. if you have conditions then it is conditional free will and that is a misuse of language.

That would be like telling my sons that they can go out and are free stay out all night but if they do I will beat them in the morning.
Think about it.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

If by fry you are speaking of Hell fire, this is not a Bible teaching. If by fry you mean death, it is a choice of consequence, but a choice none the less.

If you answer the last question I posed then you will see more clearly. I noticed you did not. Were you not able to?

Regards
DL

 

[invisible chzbrgr]

Free will with a heavy price does not compute.
You have a strange view of what free will is.

Free will should mean no conditions. if you have conditions then it is conditional free will and that is a misuse of language.

That would be like telling my sons that they can go out and are free stay out all night but if they do I will beat them in the morning.
Think about it.

Regards
DL

Yes, it's like holding a gun on you and asking you politely for your wallet or I will blow your brains out. Technically there is a choice. But is there really a choice?

What if I held a gun on you and asked you politely to love me and worship me, or else I'll blow your brains out?

 

[Greatest I am]

Yes, it's like holding a gun on you and asking you politely for your wallet or I will blow your brains out. Technically there is a choice. But is there really a choice?

What if I held a gun on you and asked you politely to love me and worship me, or else I'll blow your brains out?

I like to see good reasonning.
Keep it up.

Perhaps the silly ones above will note it.

Regards
DL

 

[curious-er]

Free will is not free will at all with hell making the decisions.
My way or fry is hardly free will.
If I told you to answer back or die and I had the clout to kill you, would you be exercising free will when you did?

Regards
DL

You are misconstruing the choice. God, as creator knows what is in our best interest. He has told us what is in our best interest. If we fail to choose what is in our best interest there is a natural consequence, death. (the consequence set out in the Bible from the outset was death, it still is. Gen.2:16, Romans 5:12, 6:23)

It would be as though a parent tells a child not to put a fork in an electrical outlet or refrain from eating something poisoness, since it could mean his death. Is it restrictive and unkind to set such limits? Does it limit his free will? The limit is set for his bennefit, however if, using his free will he chooses not to adhere to the limits, he will suffer the consequence.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

What good can come out of judging God?

 

[invisible chzbrgr]

You are misconstruing the choice. God, as creator knows what is in our best interest. He has told us what is in our best interest. If we fail to choose what is in our best interest there is a natural consequence, death. (the consequence set out in the Bible from the outset was death, it still is. Gen.2:16, Romans 5:12, 6:23)

But everyone dies. You will die. You believe you will be resurrected, that's your business. Regardless, you will die, no matter what you choose.

It would be as though a parent tells a child not to put a fork in an electrical outlet or refrain from eating something poisoness, since it could mean his death. Is it restrictive and unkind to set such limits? Does it limit his free will? The limit is set for his bennefit, however if, using his free will he chooses not to adhere to the limits, he will suffer the consequence.

These^^ parental admonitions are necessary to keep a child alive, because a parent cannot do anything for their child once they are dead. We'd never have evolved to take over the planet if we hadn't evolved the sense to listen to and trust our parents. It's been a biological necessity.

Using your own example: if a child disobeyed or didn't hear the warning, and stuck his fork into an electrical socket, and received a serious shock, do you think the parent wouldn't take them to the hospital, instead shrugging and saying, "sorry dear, your free will caused this." God as stern and bemused parent doesn't really work. Human parents care more about their children. (<-that's me, judging! )

 

[curious-er]

But everyone dies. You will die. You believe you will be resurrected, that's your business. Regardless, you will die, no matter what you choose.

These^^ parental admonitions are necessary to keep a child alive, because a parent cannot do anything for their child once they are dead. We'd never have evolved to take over the planet if we hadn't evolved the sense to listen to and trust our parents. It's been a biological necessity.

Using your own example: if a child disobeyed or didn't hear the warning, and stuck his fork into an electrical socket, and received a serious shock, do you think the parent wouldn't take them to the hospital, instead shrugging and saying, "sorry dear, your free will caused this." God as stern and bemused parent doesn't really work. Human parents care more about their children. (<-that's me, judging! )

Likewise using your annalogy of a parent taking a child to the hospital. Imediately upon our figurative child electricuting himself, God took immediate action to provide a means of resuscitation, a means of bringing back to life those who have died, hence the ransom and ressurection.

 

[McBell]

What good can come out of judging God?

I judge every deity in order to see if they are worthy of my worship.
Thus far, I have not heard back from any of them.

 

[curious-er]

But everyone dies. You will die. You believe you will be resurrected, that's your business. Regardless, you will die, no matter what you choose.

Sorry missed this tid bit my first read through. Actually the Bible speaks of those who do not die, having lived through Armagedon. Their living through is based on their choices. I do believe this is a possibility for those living at this time in history.

However, should I not live to see that time, yes I will die. But there will be no sense of time, to me it will be as though I was alive one second and alive the next. Even for those who die thousands of years prior to the resurrection, there is no sense of time loss.

 

[invisible chzbrgr]

Likewise using your annalogy of a parent taking a child to the hospital. Imediately upon our figurative child electricuting himself, God took immediate action to provide a means of resuscitation, a means of bringing back to life those who have died, hence the ransom and ressurection.

No, the analogy doesn't hold up here.

You don't ask an injured child whether he believes in hospitals, and whether hospitals are good, and whether the child has taken hospitals into his heart. You just make the decision and take the child to the &!@$(@# hospital with no question, because you love them and want them to live.