Should God show himself?

[syo]

The Gods appear to all humans, they never leave anyone alone. But humans want to command gods how they show themselves.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

The Israelite army couldn't just let their enemies go after a victory.
The enemies potentially would have attacked them again, I think:
the Israelites had two options, as I see it. Slay them or slave them.
For safety reasons, they didn't have the option of letting them go, I think.

They had the option of not invading. Did all slaves come from the aftermaths of war?

No, this doesn't make the others good guys.

So the Israelis were right for taking slaves and the others weren't. Why?

But I don't rule out miracles just because there is no evidence of them.
IF there is a God.... miracles come with the territory.
Evidence yes or no. This is how I see it.
These real ones that you've cited may have no connection with the Biblical ones, I suppose.
If you say they do... back it up by evidence, Paul.

Neither do I. I rule them out when there is evidence of what really happened. All the rest I'm willing to consider if it was a miracle or a story.

The Biblical ones I believe were also real.

So we have the real ones that science has proof of and some biblical ones that you don't have evidence of. Making 2 of some.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

The Gods appear to all humans, they never leave anyone alone. But humans want to command gods how they show themselves.

A lot of people believe people can't see god.

 

[syo]

A lot of people believe people can't see god.

When I say 'appear' I mean come in contact somehow, I don't mean visual entrance necessarily. I guess I picked the wrong word.

The gods come in contact with everyone. They don't reject people.

 

[Trailblazer]

What solutions to what problems?

We have already covered that territory.

So you will stop posting all the Bahaullahn stuff, or do you just want to stop all opposition?

I could not care less about opposition, but don't complain if I correct your false statements.

But you want to tell us what you believe as something you know.

I do know and there is nothing you can do about it.
Why does what I know bother you?

 

[thomas t]

Good morning Paul,

They had the option of not invading.

Often they were under attack themselves.

So the Israelis were right for taking slaves and the others weren't.

That's not what I've said. I said that taking slaves doesn't make the other people good guys.

I rule them out when there is evidence of what really happened.

I see it that way: for any miracle there is propbably always evidence that it did not happen to begin with.
Take Adam when he was first created on day one. He could talk. Newborns can't. So there was evidence that he was older than 1 day. Any scientist would have said: "the evidence points to an old Adam!"
But the miracle is that he was created in an instant.

 

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I don’t think Bible has bad laws. And also, I don’t think it has the word pastor in it. However, Jesus says:

For they bind heavy burdens that are grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not lift a finger to help them. But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad, enlarge the fringes of their garments, and love the place of honor at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, the salutations in the marketplaces, and to be called 'Rabbi, Rabbi' by men. But don't you be called 'Rabbi,' for one is your teacher, the Christ, and all of you are brothers. Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven. Neither be called masters, for one is your master, the Christ. But he who is greatest among you will be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Mat. 23:4-12

I think that means that not even men should be pastors or priests. If people are truly disciples of Jesus “Christian”), they remain in teachings of Jesus and are equal brothers and sisters.

 

[Zaha Torte]

With the 1,000s of different versions of religions and the different versions of those religions, an appearance by God is long overdue. There also billions on Earth who would welcome the knowledge of its existence just to confirm which version of its being, religion, messenger, prophets are right.

By not showing itself it only confuses the issue and leaves open the possibility that it's just a manmade creation. No theist really wants that, even if their religion might not be exactly right at least they would know how close they are to the truth.

I do not believe that He should show Himself.

Us acquiring a perfect knowledge that we could not live up to would condemn us all.

 

[Trailblazer]

I do not believe that He should show Himself.

Us acquiring a perfect knowledge that we could not live up to would condemn us all.

Interesting perspective......
So do you think that if we had that perfect knowledge that would make us more responsible to follow God's teachings and laws?

I believe that we have as much knowledge of God s God wants us to have, and we can know the Will of God through the Manifestation of God in the flesh.

I believe that God did show Himself when He Jesus appeared.

I believe that Jesus was the Son of God, and although the Son is not the Father, the Father is in the Son.

Jesus was a clear mirror, and God became visible in the mirror. This is why Jesus said, “The Father is in the Son” (John 14:11, John 17:21) meaning that God is visible and manifest in Jesus.

“I and my Father are one” (John 10:30) means that the Manifestation of God, in this case Jesus, and God are one and the same, so whatever pertains to the Manifestation of God, all His acts and doings, as well as whatever He ordains and forbids, is identical with the Will of God Himself.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Interesting perspective......
So do you think that if we had that perfect knowledge that would make us more responsible to follow God's teachings and laws?
I believe that we have as much knowledge of God s God wants us to have.

I believe that God did show Himself when He Jesus appeared.

I believe that Jesus was the Son of God, and although the Son is not the Father, the Father is in the Son.

Jesus was a clear mirror, and God became visible in the mirror. This is why Jesus said, “The Father is in the Son” (John 14:11, John 17:21) meaning that God is visible and manifest in Jesus.

“I and my Father are one” (John 10:30) means that the Manifestation of God, in this case Jesus, and God are one and the same, so whatever pertains to the Manifestation of God, all His acts and doings, as well as whatever He ordains and forbids, is identical with the Will of God Himself.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

I agree with this perspective about Jesus yet I need to point out that He did not come to the Earth in His glory but as a baby like we all did.

If He had come in His glory no one could deny who He was. And by extension they could not deny His Word.

Therefore the moment they acted against His Word and commit sin - because they are imperfect - they would instantly be condemned before the Law with no justification and no chance of mercy.

It is our faith. Our living blindly - yet believing that saves us even though we sin.

 

[Trailblazer]

I agree with this perspective about Jesus yet I need to point out that He did not come to the Earth in His glory but as a baby like we all did.

If He had come in His glory no one could deny who He was. And by extension they could not deny His Word.

I agree that Jesus did not come to the Earth in His glory but as a baby like we all did, and that if He had come in His glory no one could have denied who He was, nor could they deny His Word. It is in accordance with the Divine Purpose that Jesus appeared just like an ordinary man, because that enabled the faithful to be separated from the faithless, the eyes that see eyes to be separated from the blind, because they had to look at Jesus the man and what He actually said and did and not at the Light of God that shone through Him.

“That the Manifestations of Divine justice, the Day Springs of heavenly grace, have when they appeared amongst men always been destitute of all earthly dominion and shorn of the means of worldly ascendancy, should be attributed to this same principle of separation and distinction which animateth the Divine Purpose. Were the Eternal Essence to manifest all that is latent within Him, were He to shine in the plentitude of His glory, none would be found to question His power or repudiate His truth. Nay, all created things would be so dazzled and thunderstruck by the evidences of His light as to be reduced to utter nothingness. How, then, can the godly be differentiated under such circumstances from the froward?” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 71-72

What that means is that God’s purpose (what God wants to achieve) is to make it difficult for us to recognize His Manifestation, in this case Jesus, and that is one reason why the Manifestation looks and acts like an ordinary man during His mission on earth -- eating, sleeping, etc. Jesus was shorn of all earthly dominion, He was just a carpenter. Of course if people really knew the life of Jesus they would see how He was above any ordinary man... It was His character and His words and deeds that set Him apart from an ordinary man.

The second part of that means that if God showed up and manifested all that was latent within Him, no one would question that God exists, and they would not question His power or His truth, and in that case the godly could not be differentiated from the ungodly.

 

[thomas t]

And also, I don’t think [Bible] has the word pastor in it.

Pastor means shephard as in Ephesians 4:11.

I think that means that not even men should be pastors or priests.

revelation 20:6: Christians as priests.

 

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revelation 20:6: Christians as priests.

So, let’s wait that and before it, I think it would be best to remain in the teachings of Jesus, if we are truly disciples of Jesus.

 

[thomas t]

So, let’s wait that and before it, I think it would be best to remain in the teachings of Jesus, if we are truly disciples of Jesus.

Revelation 1:6 shows Christians are priests already.

 

[halbhh]

What teaching are those? Once you claim it's only your religious teachings that are true, you need a personal appearance to verify that.

Or testing.

Actually trying out the instruction, yourself, to find out what happens.

 

[Trailblazer]

Or testing.

Actually trying out the instruction, yourself, to find out what happens.

What happens when those religious teachings don't work?