Should God show himself?

[Audie]

but God also gave medication as a cure for these things, in my opinion. Eye worms are no equivalent of a death sentence today.

Your opinions are no match for facts.
Do you even know what the filaria worm is?
Look up some photos of what it does to
people. Sone will make you gag.

Gods work, proof of God.

There is no cure.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

but God also gave medication as a cure for these things, in my opinion. Eye worms are no equivalent of a death sentence today.

And lets not forget Black Death, Covid 19 and all the other wonderful creations of this god fellow.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Did you notice how the comment about slavery was ignored???

 

[thomas t]

Don't Google anything that might help you.

I google what I want, Paul.

Would you keep slaves if it was against the law? https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf...&ved=0ahUKEwjT-Oqci4LtAhUJfBoKHc23BVgQ4dUDCA0

You're a god-fearing person so obviously if the law allowed it the bible says you can.

No I can't keep slaves, it's against German law and Christians are told to keep public law.

So did he create Earthquakes, Tsunamis, Volcanos, disease as well.

yes.
Wild fires on the one hand and inundation on the other are aggravated by man, I think.
Man can come up with insurances to control the risk of losing everything in earthqukes.
The moment they die (at a certain age) they've had opportunities to enjoy nature before.
God created human life but no certainty that it lasts 80 years. There is nothing wrong with it. God gives and takes away, as I see it. It's all his.
Even if he takes away your life, you still could have enjoyed nature before, I think.

 

[thomas t]

Your opinions are no match for facts.

what? I wrote something about eyeworms.
Here comes the facts:
Eye Parasites: Symptoms, Causes, Treatment, and Prevention

Do you even know what the filaria worm is?
Look up some photos of what it does to
people. Sone will make you gag.

Gods work, proof of God.

There is no cure.

according to wikipedia, there is Filariasis - Wikipedia

So my opinions are compatible with the facts.
I don't think I suffer from too little education.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I google what I want, Paul.

Exactly. So i wiil post the infomation here. For the rest who want to know.

Dating of the fossils contributes to a clearer timeline of evolutionary history. Older methods of dating were more subjective, often an educated hypothesis based on the evidence availabltotally ​

More than 99 percent of all organisms that have ever lived on Earth are extinct. As new species evolve to fit ever changing ecological niches, older species fade away. But the rate of extinction is far from constant.

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Totally disproving any myth about Floods killing every living species. One look at a fossil shows the truth.

Compare this with bones of our nearest dead relatives. Neanderthals.

No I can't keep slaves, it's against German law and Christians are told to keep public law.

I said if it wasn't against the law. Christianity allows it.

Ephesians 6:5-8 Paul states, “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ” which is Paul instructing slaves to obey their master. Similar statements regarding obedient slaves can be found in Colossians 3:22-24, 1 Timothy 6:1-2, and Titus 2:9-10.​

 

[Audie]

what? I wrote something about eyeworms.
Here comes the facts:
Eye Parasites: Symptoms, Causes, Treatment, and Prevention


according to wikipedia, there is Filariasis - Wikipedia

So my opinions are compatible with the facts.
I don't think I suffer from too little education.

Perhaps you know the word "facile"?
Do look it up, it so describes your approach.

I am aware there are treatments for the condition under discussion.
You probably never even heard of it before.

(There is a cure for ignorance and facile thinking, but it requires-gasp-work!

It cannot be cured, as you would know if you
gave more than a casual glance (see "facile").

Yes, the worms, or most of them can be killed so it won't get worse.

The damage though, is irreversible,, you cannot be cured.

There are a great many of your gods little tricks that are worse,
with no treatment or cure

in the event, you may be aware-we certainly are-
that the topic is your fatuous claim that
"Beauty" is proof of God.

You are being predictably evasive about
how all the ugliness and horror is then also
"Gods" lil demo of his existence.

 

[Audie]

This is getting personal. Stop it. I didn't ignore anything here. And even if I did, don't resort to insulting please.

I google what I want, Paul.

No I can't keep slaves, it's against German law and Christians are told to keep public law.


yes.
Wild fires on the one hand and inundation on the other are aggravated by man, I think.
Man can come up with insurances to control the risk of losing everything in earthqukes.
The moment they die (at a certain age) they've had opportunities to enjoy nature before.
God created human life but no certainty that it lasts 80 years. There is nothing wrong with it. God gives and takes away, as I see it. It's all his.
Even if he takes away your life, you still could have enjoyed nature before, I think.

I




It is a simple demonstrable fact that it is impossible to be an informed creationist, and maintain intellectual honesty.

I made that general observation that applies to millions of people, I named no names.

You are specifically not included.

If yiu think the shoe fits, then wear it but don't think you can grab the moral or intellectual high ground by
getting personal, making a false charge and insulting me, then pretending I am the one doing it.

 

[thomas t]

There is no intellectual honesty to be found among the goddists, and precious little education.

I am what you call "goddist" since I believe in God. This was getting personal, because it was aimed at describing the person ("no intellectual hinesty"). So you were getting personal, don't pretend you were not.

I didn't insult you, nor was I getting personal against you, I did not make a false charge against you.

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Citing the WHO at Lymphatic filariasis
"Elimination of lymphatic filariasis is possible by stopping the spread of the infection through preventive chemotherapy."
So it was just facts according to the WHO.
No reason to answer me by writing :

There is a cure for ignorance

BTW I wasn't evasive. I answered everything.

 

[thomas t]

I said if it wasn't against the law

and

Would you keep slaves if it was against the law?

!

To constantly refuse to go and find the information

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Indeed.

This isn't true. I don't constantly refuse to inform myself.
I reject Paul's idea of him informing me, though.
That's all.

Totally disproving any myth about Floods killing every living species. One look at a fossil shows the truth.

the flood can't be debunked, I think. You can't debunk a miracle, I think. For me it's truth.
An old looking fossil should debunk the flood according to you? Even if there is evidence that it is indeed old?
By this reasoning any scientist could debunk any miracle performed by God, I'm afraid.
As I said, the wine in Cana looked old, tasted old, but was new. The evidence was against the beverage being young. However, that was how it was according to that Bible story. God performed a miracle.

 

[Audie]

I am what you call "goddist" since I believe in God. This was getting personal, because it was aimed at describing the person ("no intellectual hinesty"). So you were getting personal, don't pretend you were not.

I didn't insult you, nor was I getting personal against you, I did not make a false charge against you.

´-----------
Citing the WHO at Lymphatic filariasis
"Elimination of lymphatic filariasis is possible by stopping the spread of the infection through preventive chemotherapy."
So it was just facts according to the WHO.
No reason to answer me by writing :


BTW I wasn't evasive. I answered everything.

If you choose to self identify with a
group incapable of intellectual honesty,
that is on you, not on me.
I know relgious people who are of the
the utmost integrity.

It is Bible liberalism, creationists who have the problem. Goddist is a poor choice of words.

Eliminating the spread is NOT a cure!,
The disease cannot be cured. You are wrong.
Accept it, if you want to display some intellectual honesty.

 

[Audie]

and

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This isn't true. I don't constantly refuse to inform myself.
I reject Paul's idea of him informing me, though.
That's all.

the flood can't be debunked, I think. You can't debunk a miracle, I think. For me it's truth.
An old looking fossil should debunk the floodm according to you? Even if there is evidence that it is indeed old?
By this reasoning any scientist could debunk any miracle performed by God, I'm afraid.
As I said, the wine in Cana looked old, tasted old, but was new. The evidence was against the beverage being young. However, that was how it was according to that Bible story. God performed a miracle.

You are still refusing to inform yourself about a certain disease you claim can be cured.

 

[thomas t]

If you choose to self identify with a
group incapable of intellectual honesty

I am what you call "goddist". I belong to this group, I am Christian.

Goddist is a poor choice of words.

ok (that was your choice of words, not mine, just to be clear). You seem to be saying not all Christians are ignorant, then it's ok.

I know relgious people who are of the
the utmost integrity.

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Eliminating the spread is NOT a cure!,
The disease cannot be cured. You are wrong.
Accept it, if you want to display some intellectual honesty.

I cited a treatment according to the WHO;
but treatment is a synonym for cure accrding to cure

cure
[kūr]
1. the course of treatment of any disease, or of a special case.
2. the successful treatment of a disease or wound.
3. a system of treating diseases.
4. a medicine effective in treating a disease.

So, no lack of intellectual honesty here.

 

[Trailblazer]

Don't know what is need in the 'spiritual world', but we need it here.

Yes, we need it here, and the spiritual world is all around us...There is no real separation between this world and the spiritual world, we just cannot see it from here.

“The spiritual world is like unto the phenomenal world. They are the exact counterpart of each other. Whatever objects appear in this world of existence are the outer pictures of the world of heaven.” The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 10

“Your questions, however, can be answered only briefly, since there is no time for a detailed reply. The answer to the first question: the souls of the children of the Kingdom, after their separation from the body, ascend unto the realm of everlasting life. But if ye ask as to the place, know ye that the world of existence is a single world, although its stations are various and distinct.”
Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 193

“Those who have passed on through death, have a sphere of their own. It is not removed from ours; their work, the work of the Kingdom, is ours; but it is sanctified from what we call ‘time and place.’ Time with us is measured by the sun. When there is no more sunrise, and no more sunset, that kind of time does not exist for man. Those who have ascended have different attributes from those who are still on earth, yet there is no real separation.” ‘Abdu’l-Bahá in London, pp. 95-96

And you say that it is possible only if we take refuge in your 19th Century Iranian preacher?

I believe it is possible to take refuge in God, although I do not do it enough.
Life is hell for me right now but I hang on somehow and try to have hope.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

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This isn't true. I don't constantly refuse to inform myself.
I reject Paul's idea of him informing me, though.
That's all.

the flood can't be debunked, I think. You can't debunk a miracle, I think. For me it's truth.
An old looking fossil should debunk the flood according to you? Even if there is evidence that it is indeed old?
By this reasoning any scientist could debunk any miracle performed by God, I'm afraid.
As I said, the wine in Cana looked old, tasted old, but was new. The evidence was against the beverage being young. However, that was how it was according to that Bible story. God performed a miracle.

I meant to type if it wasn't against the law.

The links I gave were to all the information on the subject.

To simply deny something isn't going to make it correct. Give evidence why it's correct.

Science debunking miracles is normal. That's the job to explain how and why natural events were believed to be Acts Of god.

 

[Trailblazer]

No, he didn't. He claimed to have knowledge from god, that's very different.

You cannot say He didn't because you don't know. I do not know either, not in the sense of being able to prove it, but I do know in another sense, a sense you cannot understand.

The problem with his knowledge is it's not of much use in the modern world. Teaching people about a fake idea of god doesn't stop the killing, persecution put food in their stomachs, a roof over their heads, cure their ills, and so much more.

But teaching people about the real God and what Baha'u'llah taught will change the world, eventually, although it will take a very long time.

People have to change the world, but people have to change themselves first....
But that will never happen as long as people remain stuck in the past, continuing to talk about the Bible and whether it is true or not.... Why would that matter now? How would that change anything?

 

[Trailblazer]

It's not. There is no such place and the proof is in all the different ideas of what's there or not there.

That is completely illogical. Just because people disagree about the spiritual world that does not mean that someone is not right about the spiritual world.

That would be akin to saying that just because there are a lot of vaccines that don't work for Covid-19 there cannot be a vaccine that will be effective -- illogical.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

You cannot say He didn't because you don't know. I do not know either, not in the sense of being able to prove it, but I do know in another sense, a sense you cannot understand.

But teaching people about the real God and what Baha'u'llah taught will change the world, eventually, although it will take a very long time.

People have to change the world, but people have to change themselves first....
But that will never happen as long as people remain stuck in the past, continuing to talk about the Bible and whether it is true or not.... Why would that matter now? How would that change anything?

You continue to present your mere beliefs as facts.

You don't know, I can at least point to all the fake gurus who claim to speak to a god and then tell the people they aren't clever enough to understand.

Go prove your god is real then teach us about it.

True people stuck in the past won't solve today's or tomorrow's problems. ***MOD EDIT*** The spirit world isn't solving any wars, lack of education, famine, riots, etc. Even if it were true which you have no proof of. The body dies and then decays, that is proven.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

That is completely illogical. Just because people disagree about the spiritual world that does not mean that someone is not right about the spiritual world.

That would be akin to saying that just because there are a lot of vaccines that don't work for Covid-19 there cannot be a vaccine that will be effective -- illogical.

It doesn't mean they are right either. The body dies, then decays and rots or is burned. No scientific explanation of any spirit.

The proof that there are different forms of afterlives are in most cultures. Make peace with yourself and go to your grave knowing you had a full life and not wasted it on false fake gurus.

 

[thomas t]

I meant to type if it wasn't against the law.

no, I woulden't have slaves because no money. If I had the money? no, because I don't have time, and if I had the time? No, because slavery not consensual, I think.

Give evidence why it's correct.

I said I believe. Should I give evidence for this?

Science debunking miracles is normal.

But you can't rule out the divine... and if the divine exists, you can't rule out the miracles. Even if science would "debunk" every last miracle (which they cannot, in my opinion).